Multiple audio drivers / interfaces

logic 7.2 update manual states that 'Logic Pro supports plug and play for audio interfaces, making it possible to connect and switch on a new/additional audio interface while Logic is running. ..'
When I hit 'use' on the alert it swaps the driver - I can't see an option for running more than 1.
I am using MOTU 896HD and Mackie Onyx 1640 mixer with firewire option.
Both work independently just fine. What am I missing?
Thanks
Mana
PB G4   Mac OS X (10.4.9)  

Bugs aside, if it's VERY noisy, that might just be the out-of-sync problem (something I'm very familiar with now).
Search the forum for "aggregate sync" and you should get some clues, if this is indeed the problem.
Short of it is, you need to sync the two devices together. Easiest way seems to be to connect the two devices via S/PDIF and set Clock Source to S/PDIF for the "slave" device (set in Audio Midi).
You can also just set the Clock Source as the "master" device in the drop down, bypassing the need for the S/PDIF cable altogether, but I haven't tried this myself.
Macbook Pro CD / iMac C2D   Mac OS X (10.4.8)  

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