Never ending Probelms with JSF

Hi,
I was just wondering if JSF is all hype but has no real value in it.
I have been using for about 3 months. I have faced problems with it at almost every stage.
1. Validators / Converters are not mature ( Why there is no attempt to integrate mature stuff like Commons-Validator which is already available. I am sure that every one of us agrees that vadation is very important for all web applications. I am aware that it possible to implement custom validators with JSF. But I feel the most comonly used ones should be available off the shelf.
2. Consider
<h:inputText id="text2" value="Please enter your text" rendered="false"/>
If the rendered attribute cannot take a runtime expression value ... what is good for or what is the prupose behind having such an attribute ..... !!!!. This is just one instance there are many situations like this.
I need to be able to choose whether a text field is rendered or not based on boolean value that is available as request attribute.
3. There are innumerable probelms when we Tiles with JSF components.. For example if we have html content interleaved between JSF component tags. ... The Layout inspite of having proper definitions does not get rendered properly....The implementation of JSF Panel Grid is too restritced...
4. There are many people out there implementing JSF components but they are buggy / incomatible with other implementations.... take for example ourfaces , myfaces , JSF reference implementation and Oracle's ADF are NOT compatible with each other... so what is this all about...
Does anybody here have an idea as to how much time it would take for JSF to become stable enough to be used for Production applications...
Any comments / suggestions are welcome
Thanks in advance,
Ram Kishore.

Hi,
I was just wondering if JSF is all hype but has no
real value in it.
I have been using for about 3 months. I have faced
problems with it at almost every stage.
1. Validators / Converters are not mature ( Why there
is no attempt to integrate mature stuff like
Commons-Validator which is already available. I am
sure that every one of us agrees that vadation is very
important for all web applications. I am aware that it
possible to implement custom validators with JSF. But
I feel the most comonly used ones should be available
off the shelf.More off-the-shelf validators would be good, I agree.
2. Consider
<h:inputText id="text2" value="Please enter your text"
rendered="false"/>
If the rendered attribute cannot take a runtime
expression value ... what is good for or what is the
prupose behind having such an attribute ..... !!!!.
This is just one instance there are many situations
like this."rendered" does support dynamic values; just use #{} EL expressions.
I need to be able to choose whether a text field is
rendered or not based on boolean value that is
available as request attribute.
3. There are innumerable probelms when we Tiles with
JSF components.. For example if we have html content
interleaved between JSF component tags. ... The Layout
inspite of having proper definitions does not get
rendered properly....The implementation of JSF Panel
Grid is too restritced...I think you're describing two separate problems here:
(1) Needing <f:verbatim> is annoying. We (the EG) know; we're working on it.
(2) More panel renderers would be good; you can look to component libraries (ADF Faces as one) for additional layouts.
4. There are many people out there implementing JSF
components but they are buggy / incomatible with other
implementations.... take for example ourfaces ,
myfaces , JSF reference implementation and Oracle's
ADF are NOT compatible with each other... so what is
this all about...OK, hold up here. There's some lump of claims here, and I don't know what you're specifically saying. It sounds as though you're saying component developers are writing buggy code, and therefore don't work with every implementation. With regards to Oracle's ADF Faces, we of course work with the JSF RI. We're close to working with MyFaces, but there's some issues remaining in MyFaces (perhaps already resolved) that block this. These aren't ADF Faces bugs. Expecting MyFaces to be perfectly compatible when it is not yet certified or described as production level is infeasible.
(I can't speak for ourfaces.)
-- Adam Winer (JSF EG, and ADF Faces)
Does anybody here have an idea as to how much time it
would take for JSF to become stable enough to be used
for Production applications...
Any comments / suggestions are welcome
Thanks in advance,
Ram Kishore.

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