No archivelog mode backups

I am curious if anyone knows of any software out there that can backup a database that is in no archivelog mode while it is running?
I don't want to do this....but I am curious to see if there is any that I have not heard of for a writeup I am doing.
Regards
Tim Boles

Hello,
I've never heard about it.
RMAN which is (on my point of view) the best tool to Backup Oracle database needs to set the database
in mount state for Cold Backup.
Else, about mirror or "business copy", they cannot manage dirty blocks in the buffer. They just manage
the files on the disk but, while a database is open the datafiles have no reason to be consistent.
We make clone with Business Copy (HP) for our Backup and we need to have the database in archivelog mode
and the Tablespaces in Backup mode.
Best regards,
Jean-Valentin

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When I read some tutorials or comments about backup with rman or expdb I saw often the recommendation to put database in ARCHIVELOG mode.
But this is from my point of view useless when I do such a backups in offline mode.
I want to backup the current state of the database - full stop.
Redo logs from ARCHIVELOG are not necessary. Only if I want to go further back from the current state back to the past they are of use.
Am I right?
Peter

Data pump does not require or use archivelog mode for importing, or exporting.
The archivelog mode is required, however, for RMAN backups, except for full database copy which it copies while the database is shutdown.
The Data Pump utility uses a parameter called FLASHBACK_SCN (and FLASHBACK_TIME) which reads the undo data, but not to be confused with archivelogs.
NOTE that if you set archivelog mode on, you may want to either turn off archivelog mode when importing, or set the tabelspaces to nologging (then back to logging when done). Otherwise, it may cause enough archive logs during import to fill up your file system.
Re: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/manageability/database/pdf/ow06/Motorola_datapump.pdf
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RMAN backup in no archivelog mode

what are possible ways to backup the database which is in no archivelog mode using RMAN
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Hi;
Please check:
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Backup in ARCHIVELOG Mode

Dear Sirs,
Actually I've a non archivelog mode RDBMS, but I wan't to make a
hot backup. Could I make a hot backup after I turn the
ARCHIVELOG mode ON, then turn it off again after Back - Up ?
And how do I make the hot backup ?
Thank you for the attention and help.
Regards,
Tonny

You could turn archivelog mode on, do the backup, and then turn
archivelog mode off. This really defeats the purpose of hot
backups though. You would have to know the SCN, archivelog
file, or time to do a point-in-time recovery manually, or if you
are using RMAN knowing the time will help. I think RMAN will
recover until the last archivelog if you don't specify a time or
SCN. Keep in mind that you will lose all the changes since the
last backup if you turn archivelog mode off after the backup and
your database crashes inbetween the next scheduled backup. If
you are going through the trouble for turning archivelog mode on
and then off I would perform a cold backup. You have to
shutdown the database with normal or immediate, mount the
database, turn archvelog mode on/off and then open the
database. So why not just do a cold backup?

Rman backup with no archivelog mode

Hi Friend,
I did this backup many times before, to backup a test db which is not in archivelog mode.
My procedure are the following:
$ rman target /
rman> run {
shutdown immediate;
startup mount;
backup format '/u02/RMAN/%d_LVL0_%T_%u_s%s_p%p' database;
delete obsolete;
But strange I got now error:
ORA-19602: cannot backup or copy active file in NOARCHIVELOG mode
Thanks a lot

Hi,
Paste the snap shot of what you actually doing and what error messages are coming. That will help to analyze the problem.
This basically happens when your shutdown is not normal or clean.
One way is to again startup the database and then issue shutdown Normal.
Regards,
Edited by: Navneet on Sep 30, 2008 3:21 AM

Why archivelog mode is mandatory for hot backups.

Hi,
Why the database should be put in archivelog mode when we take hot backups. What happens actually. Why can't we put in noarchivelog mode and take hot backups?

Suppose you are not using RMAN then you must put your tablespaces in backup mode. Otherwise the backup you can take will be unrecoverable.
In order to recover from a Hot Backup you have to do followings
- Restore your Hot Backup
- Recover the database - here, the archive log files are important
How does Oracle know what has to be recovered from archivelogs?It looks at the SCN.
If you never put your tablespaces in backup mode then SCN would not be frozen and Oracle wouldn't know what has to be recovered.
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http://taliphakanozturken.wordpress.com/

Backups check in no archivelog mode -Question

I am trying to figure either DB is backedup or not, I checked its logfiles, it did'n shutdown from last one month, and running in no-archivelog mode.....I can assume its not being backed up from last month , make me right if i am not...........
I have been assigned to apply Oct2007 CPU on this server, & want to take backups first, any suggestions?

if i have export backup, will i be able to do
recovery of db is something goes wrong while cpus
applying with import.........Export are not backups but still popularly used as backups. Yes, if you have the latest export you will be able to get back your database to that point. Make sure you take FULL database export.
I would suggest you to bring down the database and take a cold backup.

Archivelog mode - online backup

i'm trying to do an online backup in archivelog mode (user managed backup)
1. for that i've put the db in backup mode by
sql> alter database begin backup
2.copied the datafiles to the backup location in o.s
using cp command
3.tried to copy controlfile to the o.s location using
sql>alter database backup controlfile to '/u01/oracle/product/10.2.0/hotbk'
Here i get an error: ORA-01580: error creating control backup file
and ORA-27038: created file already exists .
I've checked if the control file already exists in the location but there's no controlfile there.
Please help in regards to this error!
Thanks!

This is wrong path for backup try as
alter database backup controlfile to '/u01/oracle/product/10.2.0/hotbk/control.bk'

Restore database in archivelog mode

Hello everyone.
I've been looking on google, how to restore my database on archivelog mode, but i did not succeed.
I made my backup using this mode, and now i need to know what is the command need to use to restore this.
Somebody can write the command here please ?
Thanks for help.
Regards,
Dan
ps: Using Oracle 10g XE on Win XP.

user8973191 wrote:
Oh, ok Vijayaraghavan K.
Thx for u help.
And about the users ?
i need to create the "same" user in another machine ?
For example:
In this machine i using the "system" user, where i have my tables.
Another machine, when i restore, my tables will go to the "system" user too? or i can choice? or i need to create one?A true backup is a copy of the data files at the file/block level. The restore is therefore a restore of the data files/blocks. Applying the redo (archive logs) is also done at the block level. None of that knows or cares (or needs to know or care) about logical objects (such as users, tablespaces, tables, rows, etc) within the database. so if you do a proper restore, you are restoring files to a consistent state and thus everything that was defined within those files will be there when restored.

Database in Archivelog mode

Hi
All,
I have oracle 9.2.0.6 at my workplace.right now my database running in ARCHIVELOG MODE. I want to set it to NOARCHIVELOG MODE.
can I do on the fly? in other way, Do I need to shutdown and restart database?
Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Vishal

Hi,
Issue the following commands to put a database into NOARCHVELOG mode:
1) Take Back up of Present SPfile by creating pfile
create pfile from present spfile.
2) Shutdown the database by SUTDOWN IMMEDIATE.
3) Take Cold backup of the database.
4) Change the parameter in the pfile.
log_archive_start = FALSE
#log_archive_dest_1 = 'LOCATION='Your location'
log_archive_dest_state_1 = DISABLE
#log_archive_format = %d_%t_%s.arc
5) And make a spfile from the modified pfile in default location .
6) Start the database with spfile.
SQL> CONNECT sys AS SYSDBA
SQL> STARTUP MOUNT ;
SQL> ALTER DATABASE ARCHIVELOG;
SQL> ARCHIVE LOG START;
SQL> ALTER DATABASE OPEN;
NOTE 1: Remember to take a baseline database backup right after disabling archivelog mode. Without it one would not be able to recover.
Regards
Jafar

Problem in Converting Database into Archivelog mode (Oracle 10G)

Hi Team,
I come across a strange problem in the ORACLE 10G Server.
I am converting database mode from NoArchivelog to Archivelog mode through RMAN in 10G.
Now When I execute these following commands through RMAN prompt it works properly as shown below?
C:\>rman
Recovery Manager: Release 10.2.0.1.0 - Production on Thu Nov 30 18:01:08 2006
Copyright (c) 1982, 2005, Oracle. All rights reserved.
RMAN> connect target /
connected to target database: RAVI (DBID=4025722893, not open)
RMAN> shutdown immediate;
using target database control file instead of recovery catalog
database dismounted
Oracle instance shut down
RMAN> STARTUP MOUNT;
connected to target database (not started)
Oracle instance started
database mounted
Total System Global Area 167772160 bytes
Fixed Size 1247876 bytes
Variable Size 79693180 bytes
Database Buffers 79691776 bytes
Redo Buffers 7139328 bytes
RMAN> SQL 'ALTER DATABASE ARCHIVELOG';
sql statement: ALTER DATABASE ARCHIVELOG
RMAN> ALTER DATABASE OPEN;
database opened
RMAN>
But this same script when i writes in the backup.ora file & pass to Rman prompt it fails,
File backup.ora contains...
run
SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE;
STARTUP MOUNT;
SQL 'ALTER DATABASE ARCHIVELOG';
ALTER DATABASE OPEN;
passed to RMAN as follows...
C:\OracleCode\BACKUP>"C:\oracle\product\10.2.0\db_1\bin\RMAN.EXE" target /"connect target SYSTEM/sreedhar@RAVI" log="C:\ORACLE~2\LOGS\backup_log.log" append cmdfile="C:\ORACLE~2\BACKUP\backup.ora"
RMAN> 2> 3> 4> 5> 6> 7> 8>
then it fails giving the following errors...
using target database control file instead of recovery catalog
database closed
database dismounted
Oracle instance shut down
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-00569: =============== ERROR MESSAGE STACK FOLLOWS ===============
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-03002: failure of startup command at 11/30/2006 18:05:59
ORA-12514: TNS:listener does not currently know of service requested in connect descriptor
Recovery Manager complete.
The same thing is working in the Oracle 9i but not in the Oracle 10G.
Can Anybody plz help me in this?
Regards,
S.Tiwari
.

export ORACLE_SID=<SID>
rman target /cmdfile="C:\ORACLE~2\BACKUP\backup.ora"
it will connect to the default SID, there's no such thing as a default SID, what do you mean?
But what if there are more that one SID available & I
want to connect to SID other than the default SID.just specify the desired SID prior starting rman.
more over the same string is working with 9i but not
with 10G.maybe due to a bug?
to summarize, you have two options it you would like to start up the instance:
either you specify the SID prior starting rman and use os authentication
or
you register the instance statically and use oracle authentication.
regards,
-ap

OLAP in 10G with ARCHIVELOG mode

Can we place 10G database in ARCHIVELOG mode with OLAP? Currently we are at 9204 and our database is running in NOARCHIVELOG mode. I am new here and I was told that there is some issue with the OLAP that prevents placing the database in ARCHIVELOG mode. Is it true? If it is true then has it been fixed in 10G as we want to take advantage of FLASHBACK query option of 10G and that will require the database to be in ARCHIVE mode?
Thanks

it's a slight misunderstanding.
You can recover the cold backup and switch it on. -therefore you will have a database from the point of the cold backup.
if you want to use the archivelogs to restore then that's a little more involved

Recover datafile in no archivelog mode

Hi, i have always done media recovery using RMAN and this works nicely.
However im doing some testing on a database that does not use RMAN and is not in archivelog mode and im confused.(11.2 - aix)
My testing is as follows;
With the database shutdown cleanly i have taken a copy of dbf file. I then open the database and delete the dbf file.
(to slightly digress how can i still view and update the table from this datafile when the dbf file is dropped?)
In scenario 1 i shutdown the database after dropping the file. I then put the dbf file back and try and startup the database.
I thought that as i have a complete consistent backup i would be able to open the database normally without recovery, but this produced an error saying the file needed media recovery so i recovered the datafile and put online and the the db opened normally.
In scenario 2 i again took a clean backup and removed the dbf file. I then opened my database and switched redo logs 3 times ( i have 3 redo logs). After the 3rd switch the database crashed (which makes sense).
I have tried opening it normally again butagain it says the file needs media recovery. i then tried to recover the file but now i the following error:
ORA-00279: change 6667823 generated at 12/17/2013 11:35:20 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion :
/test/oracle/TSTA/TSTA/archivelog/2013_12_17/o1_mf_1_78_%u_.arc
ORA-00280: change 6667823 for thread 1 is in sequence #78
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
Any help would be greatly appreciated

885842 wrote:
Hi, i have always done media recovery using RMAN and this works nicely.
However im doing some testing on a database that does not use RMAN and is not in archivelog mode and im confused.(11.2 - aix)
My testing is as follows;
With the database shutdown cleanly i have taken a copy of dbf file. I then open the database and delete the dbf file.
(to slightly digress how can i still view and update the table from this datafile when the dbf file is dropped?)
In all *nix systems, the file is still there and open by any processes that had it open when you issued the 'rm' command. It is not really deleted until all processes that have it open have terminated.
In scenario 1 i shutdown the database after dropping the file. I then put the dbf file back and try and startup the database.
I thought that as i have a complete consistent backup i would be able to open the database normally without recovery, but this produced an error saying the file needed media recovery so i recovered the datafile and put online and the the db opened normally.
The backup may have been consistent, but if you restored only that one file, it was several SCN's behind the other files that continued to be updated after you took the consistent backup. "Consistent" means not only consistent interally to the individual file, but consistent with all other data files, plus the control files, plus the redologs.
In scenario 2 i again took a clean backup and removed the dbf file. I then opened my database and switched redo logs 3 times ( i have 3 redo logs). After the 3rd switch the database crashed (which makes sense).
I have tried opening it normally again butagain it says the file needs media recovery. i then tried to recover the file but now i the following error:
ORA-00279: change 6667823 generated at 12/17/2013 11:35:20 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion :
/test/oracle/TSTA/TSTA/archivelog/2013_12_17/o1_mf_1_78_%u_.arc
ORA-00280: change 6667823 for thread 1 is in sequence #78
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
Any help would be greatly appreciated
You said you are not in archivelog mode. So where did this reference to an archivelog come from?

Force logging in archivelog mode

Hi !!!
What happen if I have "force_logging" parameter set to true when the database is in archivelog mode ?
Thanks.

rarain wrote:
Hi Juamd,
You should only use this option when it is really required because this option will forcibly generate redo for all Nologging operations that means you might find more archives and you need to setup more space for archive.
Normally we use this option when we need to replicate data changes from one database to another database like in standby configuration, Golden Gate replication etc. I would suggest you to monitor Redo amount generated after enabling this option and accordingly estimate archive space and backup space for archive.
Thanks...Ah, don't agree with that at all. You can compromise your recovery if you happen to want to restore to a point-in-time when there was a NOLOGGING operation going on. Fine, if it's an index, but if it happens to be on a table...
(Yes, been there, done that - with a non-Production database, thankfully)
This is one of the 'must haves', IMO, for Production - set it at the database-level and it overrides any tablespace or object setting.
Archivelogs are generated for a reason. If you have a particular operation that really does massively benefit from NOLOGGING and is something you are sure that you simply re-run/re-create yourself, fine. If not, by default, you really should FORCE LOGGING.

Archivelog mode during upgrade

HI All,
During upgrading the database from 10g to 11g... I will put my database from noarchivelog mode to archivelog mode to save the disk space.
Does this task improves or speedsup the process of upgradation or any impact.
Suggestions please.
regards,
TEJAS

when DB is archivelog mode and you put DB in startup upgrade mode.. and execute catupgrd.sql script it starts updating dictionary objects and generates archivelogs ..
Hence i put the DB in noarchive log mode..
Any performance impact by putting the upgrade process in noarchivelog mode in terms of time duration the backup is performed.No performance impact, But recommended to put in Archivelog mode, even though if you have good backup.
Also apart from this thread, have a question, The catupgrd.sql script execution duration depends upon the data disctionary contents right not on the DB size ? i am having this question. plz answer.The upgrade script creates and alters certain data dictionary tables. It also upgrades or installs the following database components in the new Oracle Database 11g Release 2 (11.2) database:
Source:-
Answer is here in detail.. http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/server.112/e10819/upgrade.htm#sthref184

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