Pasting Multi Instrument Names

Copy All Names/Pasting All Names in Multi Instruments pastes to the wrong bank from time to time although the correct bank has been selected. Anyone else experienced this problem?

yep that worked - I've been trying to do that for 2 years now!!!
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Cant paste banks into Multi- instrument

Logic 7.1.1
I was helping a friend of mine get his logic studio set up.
One of the things we needed to do was paste all the program names of a Roland JV-1080 into the multi-instrument banks.
We used Sound diver to pull the patch names out of the JV and then went back to paste it into the multi instrument. I could paste one banks worth of patch names. when it came time to paste in the preset bank names, they just wouldn't paste.
I was using the pull down menu in the multi instrument itself to paste them.
I had done this before a long time ago in OS9 and had no problem pasting multiple banks. Now it seems broken.
Anybody else having problems with this?

I had done this before a long time ago in OS9 and had no problem pasting multiple banks
If you're trying to paste all banks at once, it's always been one bank at a time.
What you may have done, in OS9, is 'update via Autolink' which will copy names from SoundDiver to the Multi Instrument without any copy-pasting on your part.
Autolink is not functioning in the OS X version.

Environment multi-instrument frustrations.

I have done an extensive search on this and other forums on setting up a multi-instrument in the environment for the purposes of getting logic to display the patch names of my external synths complete with the ability to change sounds and banks from the arrange window. So far most people have advised to search the web for existing multis done by others for the respective instruments and how exactly to do this has been greatly covered. Unfortunately I have not seen too much info out there on exactly how to set up your own from scratch, save for a few basics like the following excerpt:
"Open Logic's environment and create or use multi-instrument for the desired device.
Double click it to open the patch list. This will be pre-filled with the GM list most likely.
Paste the list of patches copied from the master text file list replacing what's there.
Set custom bank-change messages as needed, and set patches for each bank.
The docs go into more detail on creating multi-instruments, setting custom bank change messages, etc."
What I don't get is the last part, "Set custom bank-change messages as needed, and set patches for each bank", and seemingly everyone assumes this is common knowledge. Well clearly it's not because I have no clue how to do this. The excerpt mentions a "doc" that goes into "more detail" on setting custom bank changes and I'm assuming he's referring to the manual. Well my logic shipment did not include a printed manual and the PDF version is as basic as it gets in this regard. So I guess my question would be where can I find detailed information on setting up bank/program changes starting with the definition and explanation of basic things like msb and lsb. I understand that a great part of this might have something to do with my shallow knowledge of MIDI as a subject but any help would be appreciated.
A link maybe?
Thanks.

Ok, where do we start.
Way back in time, like, 20 years ago, MIDI devices came of age and it showed that the previously defined range of 128 program numbers wasn't enough to access all sounds on board. Thus the concept of Banks was born. There was a specific set of Bank Change commands defined, but since its exact use was not specified, many manufacturers implemented them a bit different. Thus the necessity to have flexible bank management tools in Logic.
The idea is this: For each Multi Instrument, which represents a real, usually multi-timbral MIDI module, there is a separate list of commands which, when sent to the synth, switch to the desired bank.
You first need to know what MIDI command or sequence of MIDI commands your synth expects. Look it up in its documentation. For instance, my Waldorf Microwave II manual points out that CC 0 with values 0 and 1 will select banks A or B on the instrument. Consulting my Roland JV2080's manual, in and of itself nothing for the faint hearted, reveals, after some serious head scratching, that a sequence of CC 0 value 80 followed by CC 32 value 0 will select Bank 0 on the instrument, and for Bank 1, I'd need to send CC0 val 81 and CC 32 val 0.
Once you have this info, select the Multi Instrument and Options>Define Custom Bank Messages. A list will pop up. Fill it so it looks like this for a Microwave II:
!http://home.arcor.de/fuzzfilth/Other/cbm/cbm1.png!
or like this for a JV2080:
!http://home.arcor.de/fuzzfilth/Other/cbm/cbm2.png!
Close the window and save the Project as a Template.
Done
Christian

Anyone have a Multi Instrument setup for the MO6?

I just got a MO6 workstation to integrate into my studio
setup. I was wondering if anyone has this keyboard
(or the MO8) and has a Multi instrument for it setup
in the enviroment. I am trying to not have to input
all the names of all 16 instrument banks. I tried
doing an Google and forum search with no luck.
The thing is impressive sound wise and will be
easier to edit with the free software available.
Only wish Apple would get their support online.
Yamaha did thier end with the remote control
feature. I can put it into Remote control with
one touch and start controlling Logic from the
keyboard. Every button has a dual role, one for
the workstation and one for Logic. Very cool feature.
Thanks in advance, Phil
http://static.flickr.com/67/160620209_6397f36fd1.jpg?v=0

Sorry, I only have the original Motif 6 environment,
but I wanted to ask you how you like the MO6?
Have you used the original Motif at all? I'm thinking
about saving up to get a MO8 because of the weighted
keys, and having the ES sounds only helps.
Thanks for posting,
I have not used the original Motif at all but am loving the MO6!
I am primarily a guitar player but since getting this board my inner
keyboard self is coming out. Sound On Sound has a review of
the MO6 in Junes issue. I recieved my copy a week after purchasing
the MO6 and was glad to see their positive review.
I would recommend the MO8 for the tone generator alone and as SOS put it,
you got to love that arpegiator! Everything else to me is icing.
I will have to check out the Motifator web site. That is probably my best
chance at getting the enviroment for the MO6. Thanks again for taking
the time to post.

LE8 Multi Instrument Editor Window won't stay open

Following the instructions in the user manual, I have double-clicked on a multi instrument to open the multi instrument window so that I can enter my own program names, however, it is visible for a nanosecond and then disappears. Is there another way to open it?

This has a been a serious bug since the LE9 came out and its a major problem. So far I can find nothing on the bug but tons of people experiencing the same issue. I'm a bit upset that Apple has let something so important remain non functional for so long with no fix in sight.

How to do multi-instrument with EXS instrument in Logic Express

Hello Logic Express Users,
I wonder if someone can help me. I can set up multi-instruments with Battery 2, and Kontakt 2, but I am battling to set up a multi-instrument when I am using the EXS with Logic Express. How do I assign the outputs to different outputs so that I can hear different instruments through different aux channels.
Or is it only possible with the EXS editor that comes with Logic Pro? Because if it is then it is weird why they make the EXS with Logic express a multi-instrument.
Thanks in advance for any help.

If you want to save an instrument patch together with plugins and so on, you should save it as a channel strip.
Use the channel strip menu at the top of the channel object. There is a defined directory for user channel strips, but you can create folders within it and organise your channel strip settings as you like.
These settings will show up in the channel strip menu, and the media browser too.

Using kontakt multi instrument in logic express

hi folks,
i am trying to load several instruments into a multi instrument in kontakt2. the documentation says that it is possible to use this to trigger each instrument from a different midi channel. i seem not being able to figure this out. the book "logic6 power" even mentions that you can assign regions to specific midi channels but it does not explain how.
basically, i would like to be able to switch between pre-loaded sounds within one track instead of having all of them sound like stacked.
can anybody help?

not quite sure what exactly did the trick, generating the multiinstrument in the environment and cabling it to the audio fader strip thingy in the mixer... but it works now. i guess it was crucial to come to the conclusion that a different midi channel on the masterkeyboard has to be chosen in order to get a different instrument to sound rather than trying to find a way to set the instrument somewhere in the track or in the region.
i guess, simply by talking about it the soution started the dawn on the horizon...
thanks!

Environment Multi-Instrument = CPU Overload

Hey All,
I've had this persisting problem in the Logic 8 environment regarding the Multi-Instrument object.
The story goes that linking several software instruments to a multi-instrument, no matter what they are, throws all of the processing onto one CPU - quickly destroying the thing... tearing, clipping etc.
It seems so simple yet I have no idea where this comes from.
If I remove the multi-instrument connections and link those exact same instruments playing exactly the same material to the sequencer (like normal), everything goes through perfectly and all of the processors get involved.
It looks as though the multi-instrument object is syphoning and clogging up the midi and possibly the instrument rendering onto ONE processor...
Has anyone ever heard of this?
Thanks!
Trevor

Look at this thread:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1789402&tstart=15
for a probable explanation.

Changing the Instrument Name in Score View

I've modified the Orchestral Template to create my own desired orchestral set up and changed the track names of the instruments and also applied these new names to their corresponding regions but in score view the old names (provided by the template) are still the ones that show up. I've had this problem before when not starting from a Logic template. How do I change instrument names i score view?

Indeed CCT - I had a play around after your very useful post about Instrument names and the long and short of it is as you said:
CCT wrote:
Your only solution seems to be to use the Score set method of naming/labelling staffs, and then >working in Page view (ignoring the View:Instrument names)
I too could not rename the actual Midi Instruments in Score View - short of going to the Midi Unit/Environment and bringing up the page with their actual names and changing them ( which I dont want to do).
There is indeed an issue here if you want rename a Midi Instrument from say 'pop piano' to plain "Piano" in Score View and you do want the name on the *actual score* - it would be great if Score View could do this.
However, Logic gives lots of opportunities for different names on the actual score.
One thing that is not perhaps clear to the original Poster is that in order to do this, the best way is to Create a Score Set from Selection and then Double Click in the very top of the Inspector. This brings up all the actual name boxes. You can see the original Instrument name ( ie mid Pop Piano) and then you have the option for Full Name or Short Name which is selectable ... elsewhere in Score Settings> Names and Numbers> Instrument Names
M S

Logic 7.2 and Stylus RMX question, related to multi instrument

Hey guys,
Hope everyone is doing well.
I have a very specific question here regarding multi-instrument RMXs. We've got RMX as an 8 channel multi in our autoload. Use it all the time. The multi is set up and has been working great for quite some time. The plug-in is instantiated on Instrument 1, and then there are 8 subsequent mutli-instrument midi tracks below Instrument 1. I'm being super descriptive here, so I apologize if it's long winded.
Now we also have RMX channels 2-8 (b-h) routing to stereo sub outs in Logics track mixer. RMX 2(b) routes to sub-out 3-4 and so on down the line. Anything routing to (a) in RMX goes out 1-2 (main). We only have RMX channel 1(a) going to the main out.
Okay, so the question.
How would one create and edit a volume performance on the midi track RMX 2(b)? If you edit the "midi volume", which is normaled at 100, of any of the midi tracks under the RMX multi, all they end up doing is automating the volume of the Instrument 1 track that the RMX multi is on. Is there a way to make the editing of volume on RMX 2-8 (b-h) correspond to the automation of the volumes on their respective sub outs? This is a tricky one for us here.
I know that you can automate the volume sliders for each RMX channel within the actual RMX plugin interface, but it would be so much nicer to be able to do this within Logic. I'm a bit surprised that the editing of volume on 2-8 only edits the volume of the Instrument track they correspond to.
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you all in advance.
The Earle-Tones Music Crew

Steve,
Thank you for your post. We actually have our autoload set up with an RMX multi the way that you described. I know it's a bit difficult without seeing it in front of you, but I'll try and describe it again.
So take the set up that you have described, with RMX instantiated on Instrument 1. RMX multi Channel 1(A) going to the main 1-2. RMX multi Channel 2(B) through Channel 8(H) going to aux returns.
Now here's the issue. I can automate the volume sliders within the plug-in RMX via midi-learn. But now select RMX multi 2(B) within Logic's Arrange. On the left you will see a Midi Volume slider corresponding to RMX Channel 2(B) that you've just selected. It's normaled at 100. Slide that Midi fader down to 50. Now select Instrument 1 (the Instrument channel that the plug-in RMX multi is instantiated on). It has affected the main Instrument 1 channel volume. I don't want this. I want RMX multi channel 2(B)'s midi volume fader within Logic's arrange to affect it's corresponding AUX.
This may seem nit picky, but if you want to draw in volume performances via the hyper edit / matrix edit on the different RMX multi channels (B-H), it's fruitless at the moment because each of those 7 midi faders in Logic's arrange all control the same fader: Instrument 1 that RMX is instantiated on.
I know that midi learn within RMX is an option, but I am just wondering if there is a way to get those multi channel midi faders to correspond to the aux faders.
Thanks again guys!
ETMi

How Do I Import Multi Instrument/Environment Page From Lp7 Into LP8?

I've just started using LP Studio and I'm trying to use the multi instrument setup that I have in LP7 but I cannot find a way to import or copy them into 8.
Any idea/help will be greatly appreciated.

You do it the same way you did in L7.
In the Environment choose Options > Import Environment > Layer and it will ask you to lead it to the L7 project/song you wish to import it from and choose the layer.

Best way to add delay line and arpeggiator to multi instrument?

I am using logic sequencer to drive external hardware, and have been making use of the arpeggiator and delay line objects in the environment.
Apparently they have to be set up in loop cabling? Where the delay line runs into the multi instrument, which then in turn runs back into the delay line?
If I set it up just like this, the delayed note is then fed back into the signal and feeds the delay line again so that an infinite delay is created, even if I have repeat only set to 1.
I put the transformer in and if the note is of the original velocity it is sent to the delay line, all other velocities are brought down by -1 and those notes are sent just to drive the external equipment, not back into the delay line itself.
My question is is this the simplest way for this configuration? Or is there a simpler way that I'm overlooking? If there is a simpler way my guess is it probably lies in the parameters of the transformer because I am somewhat unfamiliar with it.
Thank you for your help.

Hey thanks. I mean, this way actually works, which I am an enthusiastic about, because it took me awhile to figure it out, I am just thinking there might be a simpler way.
Maybe I can try to explain a little bit more detail. I have an external sampler that can receive on 8 individual midi channels. Let's say I have a bass line sample on Midi Channel 1, and a Snare sample on Midi Channel 2, and I want to use the delay line to delay only the snare sample.
I run the delay line into Instrument Track 2 in the environment. At this point, there would be no delay. Not until I run the multi instrument back into the delay line. (I suppose this makes sense, because the multi instrument would need to be in the signal path). Then, however, the note that is delayed is fed back into the delay line as well (the delayed note of the snare), and it in turn feeds the delay line again, and an infinite loop is created.
If I put a transformer in there so that top condition is true the note at the original velocity is fed into the delay line (The original snare hit on beat 2 let's say). Then the delay line subtracts from the velocity by -1 or any number. (In reality this may or may not effect the sound, because the sound in the sampler may or may not respond to velocity. I can always have it play 'full on' whatever the velocity of the midi note.)
Then all notes with subtracted velocities bypass the delay line, which should be the case, because they are never meant to be fed back into the delay line.
That is a lot, I know, but I wanted to be as detailed as possible. I mean, it actually works! I am kind of surprised about that. I don't know if there is an easier way to achieve the same results. I am working with limited hardware equipment, and that seems to be the best way for me to set things up as far as synchronization issues are concerned. Might be an unusual set up, but it seems to give me the best results right now.
Thanks for your help! All input is appreciated!

Multi-Instrument + Multi-Thread problem found

Right.....I have done a lot of research on why logic was not multi-threading correctly and have narrowed it down to one problem...using Kontakt as a multi instrument.
My Mac is a 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon. This means that it is capable of distributing work loads over the multiple cores of the CPU to prevent core audio overloads from happening.
If I run any plug ins in stereo or mono mode, the CPU acts as it should; I will load up a program, add processing and when the load is becoming a strain for the CPU, I use a bus send and work on that, then the workload is redistributed across more of the cores by logic, allowing me to continue working.
However, I need to use Kontakt as a multi instrument. I usually have 3 instances of Kontakt open and on each one of these, I usually have a minimum of 10 outputs being sent to the aux channels of logic. Therefore using Kontakt as a stereo instrument is not an option, as I would have to open around 30 instances!
Here is the problem; say for example, in Kontakt I send a kick drum out of Kontakt into AUX 3 + 4. The AUX channel in logic will being to show output. I can now EQ this single kick drum seperate from any other sound in logic.
If I began to add processor heavy plug ins to this AUX output, rather than share the workload across the cores as it should and does with stereo instruments, logic now only uses a single core and it will core audio overload very quickly.
As I said, this only happens when I set up Kontakt as a multi instrument. The main problem is when I begin to have many different outputs from my 3 instances of Kontakt, as by this stage, many different sounds will have processing. All 3 multi instruments and their processing are then controlled by the single processor and the other 7 are almost inactive! It therefore becomes impossible to use Kontakt and I have to switch to stereo instances. This happens for all multi-instruments not just Kontakt.
I have just purchased Kontakt 4, I am upgrading to OSX 10.6 (Snow Leopard) and am updating Logic to v9.1. (From v9.0) Will this help at all? Is there an answer to this problem or will I just have to open 30 stereo and mono instances of Kontakt to continue working!
I have included a link to a ZIP file with two photos of the problem. In the photo named MASSIVE. I have one instance of massive running as a stereo instrument. It is sent to a BUS where I applied the WAVES L316 Limiter. I did this multiple times and if you can see on the system performance (Top right) Logic is sharing the workload over the processors as it should.
In the second picture named KONTAKT MULTI - I have done the same thing, but I have opened Kontakt as a multi instrument, sent a kick drum to AUX 2 and then forwarded this to a send where I applied the same WAVES L316. You can see on the system performance meter (Top Right) that Logic now does not re-distribute the workload, it is using one core and anymore plug ins applied to the AUX or bus channels relating to Kontakt will now make it core audio over load, even though now I am using far less processing.
PHOTOS: http://www.sendspace.com/file/og8a94

Ditto
Using Pro 8 Studio, I had this problem after installing Snow Leopard.
Invested £159 in Pro 9 update, same problem.
This has stopped most of my work since my external WK4 sounds are superior to the included software sounds.
As suggested, will now report since since it obviously seems to be a general problem.

Multi instrument help?

Does any one have or know how to setup my enviroment so i can use my JV1080 and Proteus 2000 at the same time, because at the moment i can only use one, as all my tracks will only play midi1 or midi2 , not together.
Or if anyone has a enviroment already setup like this can they send it to me thanks

I guess we would need to know if you are new to Logic, MIDI, or both...you should have each on their own ports on the MIDI interface if you want to access them each in multichannel modes. If I remember correctly P2K has 32 channels-so you'd need 3 ports if you really needed to access 32 from proteus and 16 from JV. Roland is weird-you should just leave that in performance mode when working with it as a multi instrument. Most likely with proteus, too. So, you'd want each on their own port-then you create a Multi instrument in the environment for each instrument (2 for the Porteus if it supports 32 channels. Then you'd simply assign the port in the paramater field on the left for the each selected device. Ensure the Channels you want ot access do not have a strike through them. In the arrange these will become available as MIDI instrument tracks including each channel you've enabled. Then you simply select the channel you wish to work with. If you use these modules sparingly you may want to check in to using then as Audio Instrument Inserts. Setting Up Logic is really akward to new users. Before you do all this, ensure that everything in your AudioMIDI setup is correct.

Multi-Instrument, individual effects

I've create a 16 channel multi-instrument template for one of my software instruments I bought.
I can load and assign up to 16 instruments when using this instrument. ( I know I'm not limited to 16 if I want to layer instruments but I thought I'd keep this question simple).
I've noticed that for every one of those channels that I have a simple reverb and chorus effect I can add.
Instead of those simple reverb and chorus effects, can I assign a AU effect to each one of those 16 channels.
Let's suppose I wanted to use my CamelAudio Phat on channel 2 and Space Designer on channel 7, is that possible in Logic 8 within a multi-instrument setup.
How to do that by either suppling a page number in the Logic Manual or a URL for me to read would be great.

Ahrenshof wrote:
I remember that you recommended this method about a week ago. I wasn't able to understand how how you simultaneously record to different tracks. I have Vdrums going into a 2X2 midisport (keyboard in 2nd port). How exactly do you set up your tracks and edit an EXS24 drumkit so each pad/trigger records to a separate track?
Thanks
yes, I use separate tracks and I use EXS24 a lot for drum programming...
But if you use Vdrum... I never used it, but I suppose that is similar to BFD2 or EZdrummer...
in that case there is no way... you must use MultiOut and Auxiliary outs for separate the tracks... (when I use EZdrummer or BFD2 I prefer to use his internal Mix... but I don't use this kind of plugs for the full drumset... or I bounce the parts as Audio tracks)
The problem is just to know how Logic works with Aux track...
it works by using a second internal buffer at 32bit floating point...
this buffer is locate in the "buffer processing"... and can be set as small,medium,or Large... in any case this buffer add Latency... and when you use Aux + PDC set to ALL this is what happen to All the audio tracks and MIDI incoming events... Latency will be doubled or more (depend which plugs are in the AUX)!
if you dont use PDC set to ALL ALL AUX of the multiOut instruments will be delayed!
If you use "step by step" programmin is not a problem... but for Live recording (I play drums in live mode on my Keyboard) is a disaster!
I'm talking about this live drums recording:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7xuDExo5I&feature=related
this internal buffer is a great advantage for Dynamic range and Headroom... (you have virtually 32bit floating point X2 resolution = over than 64bit)
but... that can be also a disadvantage...
this buffer does not exist un Cubase or other DAWs... (that's why there is no problem with multiuotput instruments)
this is one of the difference thinking between Logic and other DAWs..
Usually I said "don't force Logic to works as Cubase... because they are different!!"
I hope this helps...
if you have doubt feel free to ask!
G

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