PNG Renders from 3Ds Max turn pale when placed in InDesign , Why?

Hello.
When I place my renders from 3DS Max 2010 in Adobe InDesign CS6 with OS Windows 7 they become pale, even when exported as a PDF. I have tried Googling solutions but this keeps bringing up transparency settings.
I know this information is vague but I do not know what other information is needed.
Does anyone know why this is happening or a solution?
Thank you

You'll have a difficult time finding many people who place PNG files directly in InDesign.
That said, here is something you should check out. There is a setting for Applying Gamma Correction in the options when placing a PNG file. It was posted as an obscure feature in the most recent InDesignSecrets.com podcast:
http://indesignsecrets.com/watch_listen/indesignsecrets-podcast-204
Worth checking out to see if that might work.

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I think this is overcomplicating it, and with a quite a few stumbling blocks on the way.
To name one: using the monitor profile in the document accomplishes only one thing - turning display color management off in Photoshop, thus reducing it to the same non-color managed state as 3ds Max. Since the two profiles are the same, no change happens, and you just get what's known as a null transform. IOW you gain nothing and lose a lot.
The two will be consistent - and both wrong. That's why this is never recommended.
Now this is important, so pay attention: If you do this with the Dell in native wide gamut mode, you will be scr*wing up your files beyond recognition. Take that file into a properly color managed scenario, and it will be miles off.
I think the only workable approach in this case, since you have to use software that isn't color managed, is to put the monitor in sRGB mode. There's just no way you can work with a wide gamut display in this scenario and keep your sanity. Or, as I suggested in an earlier post, sell it and get a standard display.
For this to work, you need an sRGB-type monitor profile. That can be straight up sRGB for "close enough", or a calibrator-produced profile made with the unit in sRGB mode. That would be better for Photoshop, for 3ds Max it doesn't make any difference because it'll just ignore the profile anyway.
EDIT: I should add, just in case it's still unclear, that the reason sRGB "works" in a non-color managed setting while other profiles and color spaces don't, is simply because that's the way an average monitor displays. The Dell U2410 is not an average monitor. If we all had U2410s, and I mean everybody, then Adobe RGB would have been the consensus standard. But we don't and it's not. So you have to play by the majority rule.

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