Production environment questions

In Production,
1.For Statistical setup of 10million records for queued v3 update, how much time does it take?
2.If early delta initialisation is done for direct delta, how much time does it take to load 10million records into RSA7?
Thanks
Simmi

Hi Simmi
what you can do is to estimate it with the testing.
I mean when you do reconstruction in the screen you have the possiblity to flag a test button before doing it live.
Hope this helps
Regards
Boujema

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