Profile for Aperture books

( we calibrate our screens ) but our books come back slighly darker - we use SRGB

Having watched an Apple video detailing the benefits that Aperture offers in terms of on-screen colour proofing I found it strange that there is no profile for Apple's book printing partner in Europe (or the US).
Wouldn't it be useful for Apple to include a profile for the own printing partner 'in the box' so that users can on-screen colour proof their book before sending. After all, this is supposed to be one of Aperture's main features. I can't understand why they don't. At least they could expand on the reasoning behind this.

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Icc profiles for aperture book printing...

Do the Aperture Book Printing folks provide icc profiles so I can soft-proof the images beforehand?

Please note that monitors provide fairly accurate color when the images are saved in an sRGB color space, however, presses are not as reliable...
Well, Mike, thanks for sharing the info here.
At one point, in Mark's email to you, as mentioned above in his email from Apple, I have to say I am a little surprised about his statement re: monitors provide fairly accurate... when the images saved in an sRGB colour space...
It is very tricky statement where it depends on how we define the term "fairly accurate" in monitors. What we don't know if Mark meant by when monitor has been "properly" set up as profiled and calibrated with high-grade calibration hardware. Unless IF the monitor has been proper profiled and calibrated, then his statement would be correct. But IF not profiled or calibrated at all, I am afraid that his statement is incorrect.
Now these days with newer monitors and newer Apple laptops with better monitor technology, it is still need to be properly profiled and calibrated. It just depends on individual's preference, desire and the purpose of such project whatever someone is working on. While majority of Aperture users' are probably mostly professional photographers or those who are into photography savvy, then colour-managed workflow is a norm. For me, it IS absolute A MUST colour-managed workflow.
Although, I do a heavy post-production workflow on MacPro where I always have my monitors calibrated. I don't typically calibrate my laptop, though. Because sometimes I forgot to turn off the automatic ambient light in System Preference in Display section. It is a little inconvenience in that case. Unless if I am being away on photographic trips far from Canada abroad, then it is a different story. But not always bring my calibration device with me. Too inconvenience to haul it around at the airports etc. So colour-managed workflow is a must with MacPro in my studio.
However, other individuals have their own preference, comfort zone and the purpose of such project. Perhaps their workflow set up differently than yours or mine, that is ok.
But in that email you received from someone at Apple didn't make it clear about that statement about 'fairly accuracy'.
Then something else is something else actually--when Apple guy said presses are not always.... Again, that is why it is important that you get monitor properly profiled and calibrated. Once it is done properly, then it is all good. But remember, you need to re-calibrate monitor once a week or every two weeks or once month. In order to get pretty close to printed output, always a good idea to soft proof. If needed to make slightly conservative adjustments to your satisfaction or level of expectation, the output would be fairly close to what it is appeared in monitor. When I mean "fairly close" in comparing the output to what you are seeing in monitor with these post-production images used in that output, in fairness, I would estimate fairly close in terms of anywhere in range between 92 to 95 percent - that is very fair conservative perspective on how close in the output vs monitor. It is truly, really, truly rare to get the output 100% as obvious and precise as you are seeing in monitor. If that is the case, and if that is true FOR that person achieved this, this probably means takes that person many years to perfect his/her colour-managed workflow for that matter. Never has been that pretty close, but I'd be shocked if I see mine aced right on spot. I'd be lying to you if I get all output perfect as appeared in my monitors. If I did, that would be incorrect statement.
It seems a lot of factors and things to do and things need to require in a thoroughly colour-managed workflow production, it is how it is done. But this can also means save money, effort and time if done properly right from the beginning.
In fairness, I would really wish that guy from Apple should have said a little more obvious and precise with his definition of fairly accuracy with monitors. It doesn't says what kind of monitors he refers to. Low quality, cheap monitors deliver good results? Lot of factors need to be looked at for consideration for yourself.
Of course, as you can tell that colour management topic is pretty heavy, highly technical and everything in deep thinking with world of colours. It takes years for an individual (both pros and non-pro individuals) finally understand what it is all about. Again, technologies evolve rapid for the better in many cases for new monitors, commercial print equips, advanced ink technology, advanced paper production technology... That goes on effortless endless, actually.
Hope some of thoughtfu perspective and experience be of some interest, and it is obvious that this discussion probably will attract some more excitement discussion, the more the better. So that every other Aperture users who have the similar issues, they'll definitely want to come to here... And learn and share.
I also use Blurb too. They are getting better than it was once a couple years ago when Blurb first started. As they add more variety of book sizes, types of paper stock and things like that. This also give someone some flexibility in choosing workflow production using Blurb software or online bookmaking or using PDF to Book service for those who are advanced users that use InDesign layout design app. In that case of PDF to Book, the advanced users would need to download Blurb's preset plug-in to put in InDesign in order to export the PDF output to meet and integrate into Blurb's Preflight Checklist at the time of upload. I use PDF to Book service with InDesign, etc. It is fairly self explanatory and easy to follow steps. Also slightly off topic, but when making Blurb book, to get most out of their product and service with Blurb, in that case, they came up with brilliant resource called Colour Resource Centre designed for making more beautiful books. In that resource centre, it is easy to read and follow.
I would think this probably shed some insights and understanding the basics of colour management, the whole thing all about this, that and the other all together.
I would also want other high-powered hard-core Aperture users share their experience with Aperture Book printing service. I'd be happy to share my experience about making Aperture Book vs. Blurb Book through PDF to Book service. However, I would think the export to PDF from Aperture probably has it's own different setting or slightly different configuration inside the PDF engine on Mac for Blurb book. There has been some discussion about wanting a Aperture Plug In for Blurb Book. blurb has been quiet on it, I take that they probably will not develop a special plug-in for Aperture Users. Sorry if it is a little off topic. But somehow someone in the discussion mention Blurb. so...
Anyhow, hope that helps.

ICC profile for Aperture books?

All-
I've looked around Apple's web site and have not been able to find an ICC profile for soft-proofing a book. Does anyone know of a source for such a thing?
Thanks,
Andreas

Having watched an Apple video detailing the benefits that Aperture offers in terms of on-screen colour proofing I found it strange that there is no profile for Apple's book printing partner in Europe (or the US).
Wouldn't it be useful for Apple to include a profile for the own printing partner 'in the box' so that users can on-screen colour proof their book before sending. After all, this is supposed to be one of Aperture's main features. I can't understand why they don't. At least they could expand on the reasoning behind this.

ICC profile for getting books/posters printer?

Hey all,
Before I start using Aperture for getting books and posters printed, I had a question on ColorSync/ICC profiles. I'm by no means a pro, but know enough to get my color workflow in basic order.
A large poster I ordered through iPhoto came back with massive red shifting and huge loss of detail in the darker photos (it was a collage). Is there an ICC profile available that can be used so that when I soft proof with Aperture, it will give me better feedback on what photos printed via the printing service (Kodak) will look like? I really don't want to go through the hassle of getting more refunds...
TIA!

If you are using an apple cinema display that has been color calibrated I think you will get the desired result. If you are not using an apple display then you will go in circles like it did.
I'd like to qualify this statement. You should have a new professional display and use software calibration like Monaco or Pulse Color Elite from Xrite to bring your display to standardized state.
My older 22" Cinema display (which has been demoted to my business machine) will successfully calibrate thru Pulse Color Elite, but the monitor is dim and yellow compared to a successful calibration on my new 30" & 20" Apple displays or my 20" iMac G5.
As I'm laying out a sub-portfolio book to be printed via Apple, I'm assuming the only differences in color and gamut of the finished books are going to be due only to the differences in the RGB & CMYK worlds because I'm working on a calibrated workstation. I hope I'm right.
Dual 2.5 G5 Mac OS X (10.4.4) 8 gigs RAM, 30" & 20" Cinema Displays

Poor image quality in pdf for Aperture book

Can anyone tell me how to retain the quality of original images when I export to PDF for book production in Aperture?
I am trying to produce a book with 11 pages, in large soft back format. Most of the images are black and white, and all are PNGs. Individual files size are typically 12MB - 20MB, and the longer side of the images is mostly over 5000 pixels. They all look very clean and crisp full screen in Aperture, and there are no warning triangles in the page make-ups to highlight any instances of poor resolution.
I’m producing the PDF, via ‘Print’ > ‘Save as PDF’. The resulting file is 2.6MB.
Viewed in Preview, some of the images in the PDF superficially appear to be OK. Some are not - and are very indistinct. Zooming in on the images in Preview shows that very few are useable.
I produced a colour book, with larger pages last year and was very happy with both the PDF and the finished book in print. Some example file sizes from that one were: 15.3MB (3950x2633) and 9.30MB (2880x 1920).
I had expected the black and white images to work even better.
What am I doing wrong here?
I'm using Aperture 3.2.1 on a MacBook Pro running 10.6.8.

I just remade the same book - as a test - in the extra large hardback format (ie. the one I used for the previous publication, last year).
This time, the pictures are fine. The images appear to be the same quality in the PDF as the originals - much, much better. The size of the file has increased massively too > up from just 2.6MB to 52.8MB.
So does the books production function work well only with the biggest, most expensive option?
I'd really appreciate some feedback from anyone who's tried the different sizes, and preferably some brilliant ideas to make them all work equally well.

Looking for Aperture Book Recomendations for partial Noob

Looking at Amazon there are 3 books on the app. Each one brings something to the table. I have experience with Photoshop Elements and Iphoto. I do not think I am interested in the tutorial lessons available through "Apple Pro Training Series: Aperture 3." Any suggestions are appreciated. I have been looking at the online help and the various videos available on Apple and YT and find those helpful.
Thanks
Apple Pro Training Series: Aperture 3 [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pro-Training-Aperture-3/dp/0321647440/ref=cmcr_pr_producttop
Apple Aperture 3: A Workflow Guide for Digital Photographers [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Aperture-Workflow-Digital-Photographers/dp/024052178 1/ref=cmcr_pr_producttop
Aperture 3: Portable Genius [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Aperture-Portable-Genius-Josh-Anon/dp/047038672X/ref=cmcr_pr_producttop

If you are not into the APTS tutorial type book, then I would probably recommend using the Portable Genius book combined with both the User Manual and Apple's online tutorials.
The Portable Genius is a good desktop reference book with quick to the point outlines of what a specific feature does and how to use it on a basic level (with some tips thrown in). IMO, an inexpensive and efficient way to go.

Templates for Aperture Books

When I create a book in Aperture, I can modify the templates and save the modifications as new master templates.
But when I go to another project to create a new book, the new templates that I created are not in the list. I see them only in the project where they were created.
How do I store custom created templates so I see them anywhere in the program?
G5 2 x 2 Gigahertz Mac OS X (10.4.3) 2 Gigs RAM

Daniel, I don't think that is possible. I believe the universal templates we see are built into the program itself, and the list is not user modifiable. I'm wondering if you can't just export the template as a template file, store it in a folder and then load that file when needed. I haven't tried this, so this is just a long shot on my part.
Jeff Weinberg

Is it possible to order ONLY a new dust jacket for Aperture Book?

I made a typo error on dust jacket only , so i would like to order only that .
Re -print dust jacket with error corrected .

The mininum number of pages in an order is 20 pages.
I'd use the "Report a problem" link on the email receipt to contact the Print Products Store and ask for help.
See: How to report an issue with your iTunes Store, App Store, Mac App Store, or iBookstore purchase

How to change credit card info for Aperture book I ordered

Hello Forum:
I need to change the credit card number that I used to order my photobooks.
How do I change that info?
Thanks,
Steve

If it is within 90 minutes of ordering, cancel the order, make the correction and reorder - other wise there is no way
http://www.apple.com/support/photoservices/cancel/
LN

Help using Nik Sharpener Pro for output to Aperture Book...

I wonder if anyone knows what printers Apple uses in the U.S. for Aperture book printing. 'Googling' leads me to think that they are 'digital' but I don't know how to translate that for the settings in Sharpener Pro.
Or is there a prescribed way to sharpen (with general setting info) in Aperture itself. I know how to sharpen in Aperture (3.4.3) but don't know what is the right method for images destined for a book.
My images are almost all portraits, and close-ups specifically, so eyes are particularly important.
I have spent a lot of time trying to find help with this online. My two Aperture books say nothing.
Any other advice for optimizing the results would be most appreciated.
Thanks...

Thank you for this! I hope it helps (the best info so far) but I wish that someone from Apple would update for all of us the specs of the printers that they are using now (four years later than the discussion referenced).

Which Color profile for softprofing to print to Apple's book services?

I'm looking for a simple, specific and official answer as to which specific ColorSync profile should I choose for 'Onscreen Proofing' in Aperture? My intended output is Apples Print Services (Hardcover book).
I've crawled the web looking for this simple answer with no luck.
It seems to me that this profile (ie an accurate characterization of Apple's Printing Services) should be at the top of the list (in View/Proofing Profile/). Instead all I could find are discussion forums which hint or guess as to which profile to use.
Alternatively. It should be documented in the manual or the "How to create great looking books?" articles something like: "If you are going to order a book from Apple, then choose the sRGB profile for onscreen proofing. Apple's services are calibrated to this profile and guarantee consistent results". <-- Something like this appears nowhere!
So again. I'm printing my books ($$$) on Apple. Which Proofing profile should I choose?

I'm looking for a simple, specific and official answer as to which specific ColorSync profile should I choose for 'Onscreen Proofing' in Aperture? ... Alternatively. It should be documented in the manual or the "How to create great looking books?" articles something like: "If you are going to order a book from Apple, then choose the sRGB profile for onscreen proofing. Apple's services are calibrated to this profile and guarantee consistent results".
Not sRGB, argghhh -:)
In a colour matching conversion, you have a source colour space (in this case, your ICC type MNTR Monitor profile for your RGB working space) and a destination colour space (in this case an unknown ICC profile, probably of type PRTR Printer).
Your aim in the ICC architecture is to capture into and correct in as large a source colour space as is necessary to contain the colours you can render on the largest colour spaces of displays, printers and presses. This excludes sRGB as source by definition.
The sRGB colour space is the colour space of an HDTV cathode ray tube. This colour space cannot hold colours a lot of output devices can render, including the pure cyan of an ISO 12647 offset printing condition on art paper, and for inkjet sRGB is even worse as source.
Open the Apple ColorSync Utility, select sRGB in the RGB profiles list, click the Disclosure (triangle) icon in the CIELa*b plot, and select Hold for Comparison. Then pick an inkjet profile in the RGB profiles list or a large gamut offset profile in the CMYK profiles list, and turn the 3D graphic to see what can be matched directly and what can be matched only by reshaping the colours.
PDF printing masters can either have only the source ICC profile(s) embedded or both the source and destination ICC profiles. In the former case, the colour matching is done at runtime and you have to wait to see what prints.
In the latter case, you embed the destination ICC profile as OutputIntent and submit PDF/X-3. Since you are allowed to embed either type PRTR Printer or type MNTR Monitor profiles as OutputIntent, and since both are bidirectional for printing as well as for proofing, you have a contract proofing condition.
But in order to work with PDF/X-3 you need to know enough about rendering intents and gamut mapping behaviours that you don't set the wrong rendering intent per object in the page. So a runtime rendering workflow ensures that you get to draw to the maximum gamut available in the printing service, without giving you advanced controls.
/hh

Color for Aperture online printing and books

Anyone know what color profile in Aperture we need to choose for having photos printed or books made from Aperture's online services?

Books are printed using the Kodak NexPress which does use icc color profiles. In fact when you qualify a grade of paper you can either generate a "universal" profile (for a grade of paper) which will work (but not great) with different coated papers. Then their is a "Custom" icc profile they generate. A custom profile will work only with the paper that has been qualified. That is the best profile which will give the best results.
If they wanted (Apple) they could provide the profile as one has been generated and to my knowledge they use the same paper all the time for books. It is my understanding they may use several commercial printers all who use the Kodak NexPress for all their products. Personally I think the HP Indigo does a slightly better job but there are issues with that technology as well!!
Sky......

3 user profiles on mac book pro. cant see one account in time machine - has it backed up? and for other users ''no permission'' to open folders - i just want to know that stuff IS backed up (before attempting upgrade to lion)

We have 3 user profiles on mac book pro. want to upgrade to lion but want to be sure that all users are backed up to ext hard drive via Time Machine. When I go into Time Machine - I cant find anywhere my user account (1 of the 3) - loads of photos and documents. For other user accounts - if i go to open a folder i cant ''no permission'' is the message. All I want to be sure of is that there is a back up and for these 2 reasons I am far from sure.

famfran wrote:
When I go into Time Machine - I cant find anywhere my user account (1 of the 3) - loads of photos and documents.
Be sure they're not excluded in Time Machine Preferences > Options.
Also, if iPhoto is open while a backup is running, Time Machine may not be able to back up the changes in the iPhoto Library. It will "catch up" the next time, if it can.
For other user accounts - if i go to open a folder i cant ''no permission'' is the message. All I want to be sure of is that there is a back up and for these 2 reasons I am far from sure.
That's correct; one user, even an Admin user, doesn't normally have access to another user's files. You should see the same behavior if you try to look at their data on your Mac.
Log on as the other users (or have them do it) to see their backups.

Color profiles for I photo books

Is there a desired color profile to use for printing books with i photo
My images are currently adobe-rgb. jpegs brought in from CS
When I print the images thru CS they look great.
When i print them thru I photo book or the PDF they look very dark and muddy...and would assume the same of the book printing online.
any ideas on how to get the best print.
Is there a color profile availabe from the online book printers or are we just winging it
Also tried converting one page to S-RGB Still Muddy / dark thru i photo book
and PDF Print. And just fine thru CS
Any Ideas??
Thank you

I guess I am going to throw caution to the wind and see what happens.
Only one way to find out, Right
Though I did go back and lighten my images. Also
Ran color synch utility, which fixed 11 corrupt color profiles.(none of the 11 profiles pertained to i photo)
I guess I am afraid to use pref setter,, to set the key embed color profile.
Confused as to what that means??? Does that mean that all my CS Adobe-RGB jpegs will keep their color profile???
Also implanted one image as an SRGB vs the rest which will all be AdobeRGB
Oddly my color management in CS is almost Flawless. Yet, get me out of CS and I am completely lost!!!! Complicated stuff
Toad, I did want to pass on that AdobeRGB 1998 is a much more robust color profile then SRGB especially when it come to printing on Epson. It might be worth experimenting with and if you really want to get into it there is also
Pro photo RGB which is Huge color space, but a beast to work with
Here is a link
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/prophoto-rgb.shtml
Will report back on my book
TF

Create non-apple custom books for Aperture

I am working in a small company providing the photo book printing.
We have the custom-sized books which can be imported via file->import library/project
How can I create something like Graphistudio. They provide the aperture plug-in which creates the special folder with pictures in the book section
Thank for any help in this situation: even giving the e-mail to write to would be great!

To write a plugin for Aperture first you need to download the Aperture SDK. Then you'll need Xcode and a good knowledge of Coca and Objective-C
If your company is serious about this you should join the Mac Developers program. Once you're a member you'll have access to discussion lists that are only open to developers. You'll get much better information there about things programming.
good luck
Here's the link to the Mac Dev Center

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