Python without tk

Would it be possible to split the python package into one that does not require tk (and therefore X) to be installed? I'm a big fan of python and use it for server scripts and don't like running X on servers.
I believe all it would require is a "--without-tk" to the configure script in the PKGBUILD to produce a tk-less python package. At least that's what I do via abs.
Thanks in advance,
farphel

Xentac wrote:The difference between perl/perltk and python/pythontk is that perltk is actually a seperate module, pythontk is distributed with the base python tarball.
You're right about perl/perltk. However, I think the python/pythontk is a bit of a grey area. Python ships with Tk support (a module called Tkinter), but the only way it is built is if the host system already has Tcl/Tk installed. If Tk is not installed and you compile python from source, you do not get Tkinter (or IDLE). If python is built without Tkinter, it does not in any way affect python, its performance, or its usability. That's why I feel that having the python package require Tk is a mistake.
Xentac wrote:One of the package design decisions that's been around since before I started is that no packages would be artificially split. That is, nothing the upstream developers meant should be together should be split into seperate pieces. If the upstream developers split it, then we'd have two packages, otherwise we leave it as one.
Thanks for the clarification, Xentac. This sheds some insight onto why python requires Tk.
Xentac wrote:Splitting packages also makes for a maintenance nightmare.
Well, your point is valid for packages with many compile options, or possible dependencies on other software. In this case, I don't think it would be that bad to have to monitor upstream python release and rebuild an additional pythontk package. However, your point is well taken. Afterall, the reason why I'd rather see the python package split up is so that I (as an end-user) do not have to deal with it but would rather have an Arch package maintainer deal with it. I know that sounds lazy, but oneof the reasons I love Arch so much is that the package maintainers do such an excellent job keeping up with new versions and providing solid packages. I'd like to continue relying on them!
Xentac wrote:Arch's design goals is to be simple and cut out all the crap.
That's one of my peeves with this too. I consider Tk extra "crap". If I were to write a GUI using python, I would rather use pyGTK or pyQT (both of which are also platform independent). Of course this is a personal opinion.
Xentac wrote:I'm not voting either way here. I'm just clearing what I see as some misconceptions up. Please continue the arguing.
I'm guessing it will be difficult to rely on community opinion to drive this decision. How many professional python programmers are using Arch? Do they write GUIs using Tkinter? Would all of those people care to weigh in on the discussion? And yes, I basically program in python exclusively for my day job. I'm not saying that that entitles me to a better opinion. It's just that when it comes time to deploy my python applications on a sserver, I want my server to be as lean as possible. If I have to install X just to use a scripting language, then I feel that there is something wrong with the way it is being packaged. I don't like installing extra software cruft on my servers - it's just more software to monitor for local/remote exploits.
Anyway, I've stated my case and what I think is a good solution. There are workarounds for me such as the -d flag for pacman or rebuilding my package via abs (which I'm currently doing). I just feel that my point is valid and would love to see it adopted.
Cheers,
farphel

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How do i call these functions without an error? Python

Hi, I'm confused on how to call these functions I'm continuously getting error can you please help me.
I am also unsure on how parameters work and don't know what I need to write in them, i'm a bit of noob so will need you to explain thoroughly thank you
I am trying to get a dice roll and then the player chooses which counter to move, the program will then automatically minus the movement from the counters position
counter = ()
postiony_red1 = 605
postiony_red2 = 605
def dice_roll():
    import random
    dice = random.randint(1, 4)
    print("You rolled a", dice)
    if dice == 1 :
        print("You can step forward", dice, "move")
    elif dice == 2 or dice == 3:
        print("You can move", dice, "steps forward")
    else:
        print("You can move 1 space back")
    input("Press return")
    return dice
def move(dice):
    if dice == 1:
        move = -60
    elif dice == 2:
        move = -120
    elif dice == 3:
        move = -180
    elif dice == 4:
        move = 60
    print("move")
    return move
def ask_player():
    while counter != ("counter 1") or ("counter 2"):
        counter = input("Do you wish to move counter 1 or counter 2?")
        return counter
def counter_postion():
    if counter == ("counter 1"):
        move += postiony_red1
        print("total move is", move)
    elif counter == ("counter 2"):
        move += postiony_red2
        print("total move is", move)
dice_roll()

This forum section here is about Small Basic programing language!
I dunno Python, but the few droplets I've heard about is that Python is very strict about global variables!
And that every time we need to assign values to them, we gotta declare it w/
global keyword inside each function that needs it:
def ask_player():
global counter
while counter != "counter 1" or "counter 2":
counter = input("Do you wish to move counter 1 or counter 2?")
return counter
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Unable to open Terminal.app without automaticaly launching Python

Hello everyone,
Recently, I developped a very small application in Python/Tkinter for my father under my Linux laptop.
I tried to execute the application on my father's computer (under MacOS X) by simply double-clicking the "application.py" file on the desktop.
The script launched relatively well with it GUI and a terminal Window for python's "stdout" and "stderr". I identified a small bug with UTF-8 string and corrected it.
Later, I wanted to open a standard Terminal window, but for every window I tried to open, the command to launch my script ("usr/bin/pythonw" "path/to/my/script") was parsed and my script was automaticaly launched.
I tried to reboot, to see if it was a simple environment variable that was corrupted.
But nothing, every time I launch Terminal.app, it launches my script with it.
Someone here has got an idea to locate the origin of that strange behavior of Terminal.app ?
I didn't found any .bashrc in my father home directory ... so I'm not sure of what file is executed by Terminal.app at launch.
Thank you for any help

Hi Jeremy,
open ~/Library/Preferences/com.Apple.Terminal.plist and locate the line "ExecutionString" it will probably contain the path and name of your Python application. Delete it to prevent Terminal from lauching your app.
Hope this will help you
Regards,
Didier

Python without tk

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