Quadrature Encoder measurements with PXI-6143 S-Series DAQ

Has anyone used a S-series PXI-6143 DAQ to take encoder position measurements? I believe there are 2 counters available, if you have any examples of how to access and read from these counters it would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Bentup,
Measuring a quadrature encoder on your device is actually going to be a bit different than on an M series device. The STC-2 chip, which is used in the M series, allows for A and B inputs specifically for encoder signals (used in the Angular Encoder task). The original STC-1 chip which is used in E series and most S series boards (including your 6143) does not have these same inputs. Instead, you may must a Count Digital Events task (taking advantage of the up/down line of the counter). The Angular Encoder task is not supported on STC-1 devices.
The article that lab_boy linked earlier actually mentions how to use an encoder with an E series device once you scroll down a bit (here's the link again). This same procedure should apply to your S series--connect the A output of your encoder to the source of the Counter (this is the signal that you are counting). Connect B to the up/down line of the counter (P0.6 and P0.7 for counter 0 and 1 respectively).
The downside with this method is that it is more susceptible to vibrations or noise on the encoder lines. If this is a problem for you, you can look into an external encoder conditioner like the one mentioned in the article. I hope this helps!
Best Regards,
John
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BEGIN CODE
==========
boardGpct->G0_Mode.writeG0_Load_Source_Select(tTIO::tG0_Mode::kG0_Load_Source_SelectLoad_A);
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boardGpct->G0_Load_A.writeRegister(0);
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boardGpct->G0_Input_Select.setG0_Source_Polarity(1); //0=CCW, 1=CW
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boardGpct->G0_MSeries_Counting_Mode.writeG0_MSeries_Alternate_Synchronization(1);
boardGpct->G0_MSeries_Counting_Mode.setG0_MSeries_Encoder_Counting_Mode(3); //3 for X4 encoder counting
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The idea is to perform buffered semi-period measurements with both the counters on the 6025. Once you've collected all the needed semi-period data, perform a cumulative sum of each array so you end up with timestamps for all the transitions. Then you'll need to go through them to distinguish (+) from (-) direction quadrature transitions and generate a cumulative position array.
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1. Your 6025E only has 1 DMA channel. One of the counters will have to be configured to use interrupts, which in turn will limit the maximum encoder rate you can track. I wouldn't count on tracking better than single digits of kHz, and you may not even be able to achieve that much.
2. The last time I did semiperiods on an E-series board, there was no way to specify which edge would mark the first recognized transition. If the input was low when you started, the first transition recorded would be a rising edge; if high, then a falling edge.
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I hope this helps,
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Message Edited by Jochen on 02-09-2007 09:18 AM

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