Rational Rose TopLink Integration

I'm about to start a new project hosted on OAS and looking for Object-Relational Mapping Tools.
I want to follow a Model Driven Architecture (MDA) methodology, using UML as the master definition of the persistent model.
The questions I need to know about Oracle TopLink is as follows :-
i) Does a project generated from Rational Rose work with Oracle TopLink
ii) Does Oracle offer an alternative modelling tool.
ii) Does Oracle TopLink provide an incremental DDL generation tool, i.e. only generating alter statements to existing schema
Many thanks
Pat

Sapna,
There was a earlier post regarding this topic - perhaps you'd like to review that?
The link is re:How to Integrate with Rational Rose 2002
or click on "search forum" and enter "Rtaional Rose".
Regards, Guus

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Sapna

Sapna,
There was a earlier post regarding this topic - perhaps you'd like to review that?
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I am working in Datawarehousing project. we are using Oracle warehouse builder 9i and Oracle express 6.3.4.
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Narasimha,
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Re: Rational Rose product and Forte

We use Forte 3.0 with Rational Rose 4.0 since more than one year on a
medium size project (10 developers). I have not tried Rose98 with Forte,
so what I have to say may or may not apply to Rose98.
In general I am very satisfied with the Forte support of Rose. The code
generation facilities are sophisticated. For example from one attribute
in Rose you can generate a virtual attribute and the corresponding get
and set methods which implement the virtual attribute. You can even
change the naming conventions (how to generate the name of get and set
methods). You can also model all components of a Forte application like
interfaces, events, eventhandlers, constants, domain types etc.
Since access to the Forte repository is difficult, Rose does not read
from or write to the repository. Instead you must export a plan as a
.pex file, regenerate the plan from Rose and reimport the generated file
into Forte. Rose correctly preserves the code that you have written as
well as other information like GUI layout etc. Nevertheless this process
is a bit tedious and prone to errors.
Rose can import a Forte .pex and produce a model from it ("reverse
engineering"). This works O.K. but I use it only on small prototypes
that I developed in Forte to get a "first cut" of a model. The analyzer
has only a few global options (for example whether you want to model
object-valued attributes as associations or as attributes). In addition
it names all attribute types and method parameters with fully qualified
class names so that your methods tend to have very long signatures like
Add(input source:Framework.IntegerData):Framework.IntegerData
instead of
Add(source:IntegerData):IntegerData
On the other hand Rose generates correct Forte code if you use the short
form in your model. So I use Rose mainly for forward generation.
I find the combination of Rose with Forte very valuable, mostly because
Forte does not allow a convenient documentation of plans, classes and
attributes.
If you have additional questions, I will be happy to answer them.
Robinson, Richard wrote:
>
Has anyone used Rational Rose products and Forte? Could you post a short
summary that explains how easy/hard it is to work with and whether or not
the reverse engineering features work well?
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I'm having the same problem. The last version of Forte known to work with Rose is Forte 3.0, but I can't find that version for download.
Let me know if you've found any other solution.
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Oracle 9i JDeveloper & Database & jdk 1.4 & Rational Rose 2002

I am not sure if this is the place to ask these types of questions, but i am goin to ask anyway
Here is my situation, I am doing a project with Rational Rose UML model. The program is written in Java, I wanted to use Rational Rose 2002 for UML model, JDeveloper for coding and Oracle Database
1. After i downloaded Oracle 9i JDeveloper, the program said its certified for JDK1.3.1_02, is it safe to use JDK1.4.1_1 with it?
2. Can i use 9i JDeveloper with Oracle 8i Database or its best to use 9i JDeveloper with Oracle 9i Database?
3. Since Rational Rose 2002 only has Oracle 8 dataType, should i use Oracle 8i with it? or Oracle 9i will work anyway?
Please help and email me at [email protected]

1. To run JDeveloper use jdk1.3 but you can use it to develop applications with jdk1.4
2. You can use Oracle9i JDeveloper with Oracle8i.
3. Oracle9i will probably work, but rational might not be able to take advantage of the latest features of the database. Check out the UML capabilities of JDeveloepr.

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Now, I use Rational Rose 2002.But I can't integrate it with JBuilder7.0.
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Also, you can use Rose JBuilder Link
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Reverse engineering with Rational Rose

Is anybody using the above?
If so, have you developed any scripts to facilitate updating the Rose model,
and which you'd be willing to share? Or perhaps discuss jointly writing
same?
Ideally, there would be an Fscript to facilitate exposting Forte projects,
and a Rose script to facilitate import.
TIA,
Eric

Eric,
As part of tool evaluation for modeling, We evaluated Rational Rose 98i . We
were able to import forte pex files into Rose model.
We had no problems with reverse engineering but there were problems related to
round trip engineering.
Since Rational Rose 98i did not have a repository based solution for
configuration management, it was quite a task to keep the model in sync with
multiple users updating it. However, I believe you can use Microsoft Source
safe for configuration management though we did not try this.
Ramesh Timakondu
PSI Data SYstems Ltd.
One Bank Street, Ste. 406
Stamford, CT, 06905
(203) 359 3992
tnkrampsidata.com
"Fingerhut, Eric" <Eric.Fingerhuthbo.com> on 02/16/2000 04:26:59 PM
To: "'kamranaminyahoo.com'" <kamranaminyahoo.com>
cc: (bcc: Ramesh Timakondu/Consultant/NAC)
Fax to:
Subject: (forte-users) reverse engineering with Rational Rose
Is anybody using the above?
If so, have you developed any scripts to facilitate updating the Rose model,
and which you'd be willing to share? Or perhaps discuss jointly writing
same?
Ideally, there would be an Fscript to facilitate exposting Forte projects,
and a Rose script to facilitate import.
TIA,
Eric
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Rational Rose product and Forte

Has anyone used Rational Rose products and Forte? Could you post a short
summary that explains how easy/hard it is to work with and whether or not
the reverse engineering features work well?
To unsubscribe, email '[email protected]' with
'unsubscribe forte-users' as the body of the message.
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Eric,
As part of tool evaluation for modeling, We evaluated Rational Rose 98i . We
were able to import forte pex files into Rose model.
We had no problems with reverse engineering but there were problems related to
round trip engineering.
Since Rational Rose 98i did not have a repository based solution for
configuration management, it was quite a task to keep the model in sync with
multiple users updating it. However, I believe you can use Microsoft Source
safe for configuration management though we did not try this.
Ramesh Timakondu
PSI Data SYstems Ltd.
One Bank Street, Ste. 406
Stamford, CT, 06905
(203) 359 3992
tnkrampsidata.com
"Fingerhut, Eric" <Eric.Fingerhuthbo.com> on 02/16/2000 04:26:59 PM
To: "'kamranaminyahoo.com'" <kamranaminyahoo.com>
cc: (bcc: Ramesh Timakondu/Consultant/NAC)
Fax to:
Subject: (forte-users) reverse engineering with Rational Rose
Is anybody using the above?
If so, have you developed any scripts to facilitate updating the Rose model,
and which you'd be willing to share? Or perhaps discuss jointly writing
same?
Ideally, there would be an Fscript to facilitate exposting Forte projects,
and a Rose script to facilitate import.
TIA,
Eric
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the login: forte and the password: archive. To unsubscribe, send in a new
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Is there anything like Rational Rose under UNIX platform?

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Yes, Rational Rose.
http://www.rational.com/products/dstudio_unix/index.jsp
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