RE: (forte-users) User-visible service object
This solution will cause network traffic for all method calls on the
environment visible SO. This overhead is not incurred when calling methods
on a user visible SO in the same partition. Depending on the frequency of
calls and the volume of data being passed in and out, this could be
significant overhead.
We have successfully implemented the following.
Create a second User Visible SO based on the same class. Then you will be
able to partition the one SO into the client partition and the second into
the server partition.
For example, assume the underlying class is named MessageService then define
your SO's as
ClientMessageService -> MessageService
ServerMessageService -> MessageService
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Amin, Kamran [mailto:kamran.aminlendware.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:17 PM
To: 'Duncan Kinnear'; kamranaminyahoo.com
Subject: RE: (forte-users) User-visible service
object
Duncan,
Make the user visible service object to an
environment visible
service object. This way the client and any service object
on the server
can access it.
ka
-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Kinnear [mailto:duncanmccarthy.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:47 PM
To: kamranaminyahoo.com
Subject: (forte-users) User-visible service object
Hi folks!
We've got a user-visible service object that handles
initialisation of and
access to the message catalog.
This works well on the client, but we would like to use the
same
mechanism (and even the same service object) on the server
so that
service objects on the server have access to their message
catalog on
the
server.
I was hoping that if we referenced this user-visible service
object in
both the client and the server code, that it would partition
a copy in
each of the client and server partitions. However, we
cannot get this
user-visible service object duplicated on the server. If we
drag and drop
it onto the server partition in the partition workshop, it
disappears from
the client partition!
Anybody got any idea how we could do this?
Cheers,
Duncan Kinnear,
McCarthy and Associates, Email:
duncanMcCarthy.co.nz
PO Box 764, McLean Towers, Phone: +64
6 834 3360
Shakespeare Road, Napier, New Zealand. Fax: +64
6 834 3369
Providing Integrated Software to the Meat Processing
Industry for over 10
years
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I would try going to the "lowest common denominator" between WindowsNT and
Windows95 - DOS. Both windowing OS's sort of have their roots in DOS, or at
least both are capable of opening a DOS session.
Therefore, from a DOS prompt type "set" to view the environment variables for
both OS types. Look for a common variable between the two that stores the
userID. If you can find one of these your application will be that much more
portable between these two Windows mutations.
I used "set" on my NT and found my userID assigned to a few variables. I haven't
done this on a Windows95 machine in quite some time, but if the machine is on
the network it should have at least one environment variable with the userID.
I'm just guessing that DOS has a variable to store the userID that will be
common to both machines.
Good luck....
Kelsey PetrychynSaskTel Technical Analyst
ITM - Technology Solutions - Distributed Computing
Tel (306) 777 - 4906, Fax (306) 359 - 0857
Internet:kelsey.petrychynSasktel.sk.ca
Quality is not job 1. It is the only job!
"Olivier Andrieux" <oandrieuxaxialog.fr> on 07/19/2000 09:12:41 AM
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Subject: (forte-users) user name
Hi
I use this command to catch the username:
task.part.operatingsystem.getenv('username')
with NT, there is no problem
but with windows95 or 98 the command doesn't find the username.
Thanks in advance.
Olivier Andrieux
Axialog
Lille
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Load Balancing, User Visible Service objects, Runningman
1. Load Balancing
Load Balancing a partition has nothing to do with single or multi-threaded
behaviour of that partition. If you load balance a partition it means that
you can start 1 or more copies of that partition. How many to start can be
specified. If the partition is load balanced there will be router partition
that routes calls to any of the services in that partition.
Now let us look at a special kind of partition (load balanced partition
that has an Env visible SO and a user visible DbSession). This is one of
the design patterns to acccess the database efficiently. Each of these
partitions are single threaded because DbSession is inherently single
threaded. This partition is single threaded because Dbsession is single
threaded and not because the partition is replicated.
Another case is when you make a partition load balanced and it has only
SO(s) made out of tool classes and does not have Dbsessions then each of
these partitions can run multi-threaded beacuse there are no
single-threaded objects to make the partition single threaded
2. User Visibility
Case A - If you have only User visible SO(s) in a partition then each
behaves like a global named object. Whoever accesses it will get a copy of
their own.
Case B - If you have a user visible SO and an Env Visible SO in the same
partition then the user visible SO will be private to the partition and
cannot be accessed from outside that partition.
3. Running Man
When you run an application by clicking on the running man Forte uses its
default partitioning scheme and runs the application. The partition scheme
that you made will be used only when you run the application distributed or
from the partition workshop. This is the time you might encounter errors if
your partitioning is not right.
Hope this helps.
NirmalDon,
You are right. I should have said - Forte uses its own partitioning scheme
not the default scheme you see when you open partition workshop.
Nirmal
From: Don Nelson <[email protected]>
To: Nirmal P Uppalapati <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Load Balancing, User Visible Service objects, Running man
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 10:45 PM
Nirmal,
One note on the "running man"...
At 08:12 PM 10/22/97 -0500, Nirmal P Uppalapati wrote:
3. Running Man
When you run an application by clicking on the running man Forte uses
its
default partitioning scheme and runs the application. The partitionscheme
that you made will be used only when you run the application distributedor
from the partition workshop. This is the time you might encounter errorsif
your partitioning is not right.
Actually, clicking on the "running man" from the repository or project
workshop will cause the application to be run VERY differently thanrunning
it distributed.
It's not technically correct to say that the default partitioning schemeis
used with the running man.
Forte consulting offers a deployment workshop that covers the finerpoints
of this and other distributed issues.
Don
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RE: (forte-users) Terminal Services - Win 2000
Hi
l've already installed my application 'appA' at my server 'ServerA'.
When l try to execute this application in my pc thru Terminal Server, there
were nothing displayed at my pc but when l check at on 'ServerA' , l can
see that 'appA' is running over at the 'ServerA' side. Actually, I'm new at
this Terminal Server thingy...
thanks..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Paul Gabrielli [mailto:Jean-Paul.Gabriellisema.fr]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 5:08 PM
To: Zulkifli Mohamad
Subject: RE: (forte-users) Terminal Services - Win 2000
hmm when you telent a machine to run a process remotely, don't expect to
have it locally :-)
j-p
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De: Zulkifli Mohamad [mailto:zulkifli_mohamadkonnas.com.my]
Date: vendredi 19 janvier 2001 09:19
À: forte-userslists.xpedior.com
Objet: (forte-users) Terminal Services - Win 2000
hi..
l'm trying to run forte application thru Terminal Services Client
(Win 2000) but my application only running on the server not at the client
pc. Some one can help me...
thanks.
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email the word: 'Unsubscribe' to: forte-users-requestlists.xpedior.comIl suffit de mettre les BTD/BTX sur un drive réseau (net use X:
\\server\share_point),
puis d'installer des icônes pour les clients: ftexec -fi bt:x:\MyApp.
Pour que les noeuds ne s'auto-enregistrent pas, peut-être mettre un password
Ou bien définir les noeuds comme un 'groupe' et donc seul le groupe est
connu.
Si mettre le mot de passe suffit pas, et si vraiment le model node gêne,
alors il
faut un autre environment manager.
I think that to avoid install, the software could be located on a shared
drive,
and users linking to it through running 'ftexec' or directly the compiled
binaries.
For nodes not to appear in the environment as nodes, they could be defined
as members
of a model node '(which then would be in the environmnet)'
Putting a password in the environment could prevent nodes to be registered
there, but
might prevent the apps from being executed.
Cheers,
j-paul gabrielli
Sema DTS
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De: Thomas Felix [mailto:tfelixaxialog.fr]
Date: mardi 2 mai 2000 14:14
À: forte-userslists.xpedior.com
Objet: (forte-users)
bonjour a tous
je souhaites installer une application distribuée sur des postes clients.
Y'a t'il moyen de ne pas installer les noeuds de ces postes clients sur l'
active environnement lié au développement et si oui comment?
hi
I would like to install an application on clients workstation
Can i install this nodes in a different Active environnement than this one
that we use for the developpement ?
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Subject: RE :(forte-users) Web enterprise & user visibleservice Objects
A few months ago we faced a similar problem while migrating from classic
Forte to Web. We had to protect our investment in various frameworks that we
wrote for the classic Forte apps, which made use of extensive
user-level-caching among other things.
We solved the problem using a custom routing mechanism. In brief, we created
several( replicated) server partitions that contains all the user-level
Service objects that existed in the class-Forte apps. Then we wrote a
'custom-router' which mimics Forte load-balanced router( dialog duration =
session ) to intelligently route incoming HTTPRequests to one of these
replicated partitions. The router would look at the some tag on the session
and then route the request to one of these replicated "client clone" using
the tag. Successive requests from the same client will go to the same
replicated partition so that you can use the client-cache or any other
per-user services.
The advantages of this approach are
1) You can continue to make use of caching and other user-level components
that you may have.
2) The web and classic Forte clients can work seamlessly if you write them
to use reference partitions that hosts the other shared( Environment visible
) service objects.
Ofcourse you will have to write ( and maintain )the custom-routing code and
also pay attention to house-keeping. For example, the burdon of cleaning up
the cache on logout or session expiration lies on you. If you don't do this,
then your new user might be looking at an old cache of some other user.
Hope this helps,
Ajith
Forte Systems Consultant.
Subject: (forte-users) Web enterprise & user visible service objects
Hi
We have taken a forte application and converted it to run on the web using
* forte web enterprise &
* fortecgi.exe
In the forte application we have a user visible Local Cache Manager
Service Object (i.e. each users has their own copy) for storing things
like
* the details of the current user id
* the details of the current client chosen
* arrays that are needed by other windows
With web enterprise this service object is no longer user visible, how can
we make it user visible?
Thanks in advance.
Deborah Wallis
dwallisnbs.co.za
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email the word: 'Unsubscribe' to: forte-users-requestlists.xpedior.comA few months ago we faced a similar problem while migrating from classic
Forte to Web. We had to protect our investment in various frameworks that we
wrote for the classic Forte apps, which made use of extensive
user-level-caching among other things.
We solved the problem using a custom routing mechanism. In brief, we created
several( replicated) server partitions that contains all the user-level
Service objects that existed in the class-Forte apps. Then we wrote a
'custom-router' which mimics Forte load-balanced router( dialog duration =
session ) to intelligently route incoming HTTPRequests to one of these
replicated partitions. The router would look at the some tag on the session
and then route the request to one of these replicated "client clone" using
the tag. Successive requests from the same client will go to the same
replicated partition so that you can use the client-cache or any other
per-user services.
The advantages of this approach are
1) You can continue to make use of caching and other user-level components
that you may have.
2) The web and classic Forte clients can work seamlessly if you write them
to use reference partitions that hosts the other shared( Environment visible
) service objects.
Ofcourse you will have to write ( and maintain )the custom-routing code and
also pay attention to house-keeping. For example, the burdon of cleaning up
the cache on logout or session expiration lies on you. If you don't do this,
then your new user might be looking at an old cache of some other user.
Hope this helps,
Ajith
Forte Systems Consultant.
Subject: (forte-users) Web enterprise & user visible service objects
Hi
We have taken a forte application and converted it to run on the web using
* forte web enterprise &
* fortecgi.exe
In the forte application we have a user visible Local Cache Manager
Service Object (i.e. each users has their own copy) for storing things
like
* the details of the current user id
* the details of the current client chosen
* arrays that are needed by other windows
With web enterprise this service object is no longer user visible, how can
we make it user visible?
Thanks in advance.
Deborah Wallis
dwallisnbs.co.za
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RE: forte-users-digest V1 #322
Re: "We wish to eliminate any object references to the service object's
partition. Any insight would be greatly appreciated." from Van Vuong
<[email protected]>
This was in regards to copying a set of object from a server to client.
An implicit clone is being done. This also copyies objects they want to
remain on the server.
I believe the normal method of doing this is to anchor the server side
objects. Then when the deep clone occurs, it stops at the anchored
objects generating a proxy. That can also have other affects you do not
want but will at least stop the copying.
From: owner-forte-users-digest
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 8:09 AM
To: forte-users-digest
Subject: forte-users-digest V1 #322
forte-users-digest Tuesday, 15 April 1997 Volume 01 :
Number 322
How does deep copy apply to arrays?
Re: Global Variables
Re: Global Variables
Using the Edit commands in a menu
Re: Global Variables
Re: How does deep copy apply to arrays?
From: Van Vuong <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:16:46 -0500
Subject: How does deep copy apply to arrays?
I have a service object that has a method that returns an array of
objects. The return type for the method is defined with the copy option.
I found documentation that states that the copy option creates a deep
copy of the return variable on the partition that called the method.
My question is: If the return type for the method is an array of
objects, will the copy option create copies of all objects/elements in
the array?
We wish to eliminate any object references to the service object's
partition. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Van Vuong
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From: David Bell <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:44:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Global Variables
I got so much mail about and the object location manager, so
I'll continue ...
To make the thing truly portable, regardless of partition,
you need to register the object with a name that is made
up on the fly.
The easisest way to do this is to make up a name composed of
nodename (hopefully unique) plus the process ID. This should
guarantee that you get to the correct object even if there are
several instances around.
Get the nodename from the operating system, then use the partition
agent to ask for the PID. Form a unique name by concatenating these
two piecies of information.
// set up this app's subdirectory namespace
ObjName : TextData = new(Value = '/MyApp/');
// add nodename
ObjName.Concat(task.part.operatingsystem.nodename);
// get PID
Partition : ActivePartitionAgent
= ActivePartitionAgent(task.part.ActPartAgent);
Instrument : ConfigValueInst
= ConfigValueInst(Partition.FindInstrument('ProcessID'));
// add PID to name
Objname.Concat(Instrument.GetData.TextValue);
Now register an anchored object with the object location
manager
// get the object location manager
olm : ObjectLocationMgr;
olm = task.Part.ObjectLocationMgr;
// register my object with the name
olm.RegisterObject(name = Objname, object = MyObj);
Once it's registered, ask the object location manager for a handle
so we can use it. Build the name, get hold of the object
location manager, as above, then invoke BindObject on it.
theObj =
(ClassOfMyObj)(olm.BindObject(name=Objname, classType=ClassOfMyObj));
If the names are formed in the same way, this call should return
a handle to the object of message duration - you can set up
session or transaction duration if required in the RegisterObject
call.
In some versions of Forte, before V.2.F.0, this call not work for
objects located in the same partition.
To get at the instruments, you will need to include the SystemMonitor
Library.
To come back to some other points, as Tom Wynant points out, you can
have a user visible service object in a server partition.
The problem comes when what you really want is the same user visible
service object in lots of different partitions so that you can offer
the same service - but locally.
Today there is no way to do this oustide of client partitions without
resorting to something similar to that presented above.
- David
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From: Pierre Gelli <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:09:39 +0200
Subject: Re: Global Variables
Hello folks,
Here is my idea on the topic.
Although one normally doesn't need global variables in a OO system, there
are cases when it's useful : a read cache of data available in the local
active partition. This saves the overhead of accessing the data on a
remote=
SO.
I read the solutions described by David Bell (location manager) and David
Krieger (hack of the partition.appTitle).
There is another way I think is a bit cleaner.
It takes benefit of the fact that a custom system agent can be attached
an
object (in our case the local cache containing the global variables).
Any active partition of the application then contains one such custom
agent.
Any class needing a global variable instantiates a small object, which is
a
manager of the custom agent. Its purpose is to ask the active partition
for
the custom agent, and then for the cache. If the agent doesn't exist it
creates it as well has the local cache; if the agent exists, it returns
the
cache.
There is a cache class.
It is derived into one class to be the "cache server" broadcasting an
event
when some cache data changes. This class is used to create a cache
server=
SO.
The cache class is also derived into a "local cache" class. It knows how
to
initialize it from the cache server. It listens to the event for updating
its local data from the cache server SO when needed.
Enough for the machinery.
Then, for any instance of a class that needs a global variable,
only two lines of code are needed, at initialization time, to get a
reference to the local cache of the partition, then a global variable
isaccessed as if part of a local object. This is quite affordable.
This design guaranties that there is automatically one and only one
up-to-date cache object in any active partition (running on a client or
on a
server). The local cache is seen as a local object by all objects that
use
it (no SO there). This design makes no assumption on the partitioning
that
will take place later. Which is I think one key strength of Fort=E9.
If one is interested I can ship some code that illustrates these ideas.
Hope this helps.
Pierre Gelli
ADP GSI
Payroll and Human Resources Management
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fax : +33 1 41 14 85 99
From: Bryan Gentile <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:01:35 -0400
Subject: Using the Edit commands in a menu
I was wondering if anyone knows how to code for the edit menu submenu
items
like cut, copy, and paste. I am trying to use these in my menu, but I
cannot find anything about how to code for them. Is there anything in
the
help or any examples to look at. I have been unsuccessful in finding
anything about this.
Thanks
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 9:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Global Variables
[email protected] writes:
<Snip!>
Unfortunately all Forte Service Objects share a single name
space. I thought from the documentation that User Visible
Service Objects would work for me. However, when I tried User
Visible Service Objects, they didn't quite do the trick because
what I wanted was identically named service objects that resolve
to a different local instance for each partition.You're right. You can put the user-visible service object in any
partition you like, but it must go in one and only one
partition. Rats. I can see why it's this way (based on the
minimal implementation of the name server), but I can think of
some good reasons why it shouldn't be. In fact, I may need to
move some methods around based on this discussion. Again, rats!
Tom Wyant
"The greatest danger of communication is the illusion that it has
occurred." (wish I knew who said that!).
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:54:10 -0500
Subject: Re: How does deep copy apply to arrays?
Copy option always copies deep. Remember, also if you pass the array
accross partitions, whether you specify copy or not, it is going to copy
and copy deep.
In an array, I am not sure if have the problem, because unless the array
in-turn holds a huge tree, the array object may be wide, but not deep.
Some thing to think about??
Venkat
End of forte-users-digest V1 #322
*********************************Re: "We wish to eliminate any object references to the service object's
partition. Any insight would be greatly appreciated." from Van Vuong
<[email protected]>
This was in regards to copying a set of object from a server to client.
An implicit clone is being done. This also copyies objects they want to
remain on the server.
I believe the normal method of doing this is to anchor the server side
objects. Then when the deep clone occurs, it stops at the anchored
objects generating a proxy. That can also have other affects you do not
want but will at least stop the copying.
From: owner-forte-users-digest
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 8:09 AM
To: forte-users-digest
Subject: forte-users-digest V1 #322
forte-users-digest Tuesday, 15 April 1997 Volume 01 :
Number 322
How does deep copy apply to arrays?
Re: Global Variables
Re: Global Variables
Using the Edit commands in a menu
Re: Global Variables
Re: How does deep copy apply to arrays?
From: Van Vuong <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:16:46 -0500
Subject: How does deep copy apply to arrays?
I have a service object that has a method that returns an array of
objects. The return type for the method is defined with the copy option.
I found documentation that states that the copy option creates a deep
copy of the return variable on the partition that called the method.
My question is: If the return type for the method is an array of
objects, will the copy option create copies of all objects/elements in
the array?
We wish to eliminate any object references to the service object's
partition. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Van Vuong
Phone: 972.985.5289
Pager: 972.320.2232
VoiceNow Pager: 972.330.0822
E-mail: [email protected]
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From: David Bell <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:44:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Global Variables
I got so much mail about and the object location manager, so
I'll continue ...
To make the thing truly portable, regardless of partition,
you need to register the object with a name that is made
up on the fly.
The easisest way to do this is to make up a name composed of
nodename (hopefully unique) plus the process ID. This should
guarantee that you get to the correct object even if there are
several instances around.
Get the nodename from the operating system, then use the partition
agent to ask for the PID. Form a unique name by concatenating these
two piecies of information.
// set up this app's subdirectory namespace
ObjName : TextData = new(Value = '/MyApp/');
// add nodename
ObjName.Concat(task.part.operatingsystem.nodename);
// get PID
Partition : ActivePartitionAgent
= ActivePartitionAgent(task.part.ActPartAgent);
Instrument : ConfigValueInst
= ConfigValueInst(Partition.FindInstrument('ProcessID'));
// add PID to name
Objname.Concat(Instrument.GetData.TextValue);
Now register an anchored object with the object location
manager
// get the object location manager
olm : ObjectLocationMgr;
olm = task.Part.ObjectLocationMgr;
// register my object with the name
olm.RegisterObject(name = Objname, object = MyObj);
Once it's registered, ask the object location manager for a handle
so we can use it. Build the name, get hold of the object
location manager, as above, then invoke BindObject on it.
theObj =
(ClassOfMyObj)(olm.BindObject(name=Objname, classType=ClassOfMyObj));
If the names are formed in the same way, this call should return
a handle to the object of message duration - you can set up
session or transaction duration if required in the RegisterObject
call.
In some versions of Forte, before V.2.F.0, this call not work for
objects located in the same partition.
To get at the instruments, you will need to include the SystemMonitor
Library.
To come back to some other points, as Tom Wynant points out, you can
have a user visible service object in a server partition.
The problem comes when what you really want is the same user visible
service object in lots of different partitions so that you can offer
the same service - but locally.
Today there is no way to do this oustide of client partitions without
resorting to something similar to that presented above.
- David
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From: Pierre Gelli <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:09:39 +0200
Subject: Re: Global Variables
Hello folks,
Here is my idea on the topic.
Although one normally doesn't need global variables in a OO system, there
are cases when it's useful : a read cache of data available in the local
active partition. This saves the overhead of accessing the data on a
remote=
SO.
I read the solutions described by David Bell (location manager) and David
Krieger (hack of the partition.appTitle).
There is another way I think is a bit cleaner.
It takes benefit of the fact that a custom system agent can be attached
an
object (in our case the local cache containing the global variables).
Any active partition of the application then contains one such custom
agent.
Any class needing a global variable instantiates a small object, which is
a
manager of the custom agent. Its purpose is to ask the active partition
for
the custom agent, and then for the cache. If the agent doesn't exist it
creates it as well has the local cache; if the agent exists, it returns
the
cache.
There is a cache class.
It is derived into one class to be the "cache server" broadcasting an
event
when some cache data changes. This class is used to create a cache
server=
SO.
The cache class is also derived into a "local cache" class. It knows how
to
initialize it from the cache server. It listens to the event for updating
its local data from the cache server SO when needed.
Enough for the machinery.
Then, for any instance of a class that needs a global variable,
only two lines of code are needed, at initialization time, to get a
reference to the local cache of the partition, then a global variable
isaccessed as if part of a local object. This is quite affordable.
This design guaranties that there is automatically one and only one
up-to-date cache object in any active partition (running on a client or
on a
server). The local cache is seen as a local object by all objects that
use
it (no SO there). This design makes no assumption on the partitioning
that
will take place later. Which is I think one key strength of Fort=E9.
If one is interested I can ship some code that illustrates these ideas.
Hope this helps.
Pierre Gelli
ADP GSI
Payroll and Human Resources Management
72-78, Grande Rue, F-92310 SEVRES
phone : +33 1 41 14 86 42 (direct) +33 1 41 14 85 00 (reception desk)
fax : +33 1 41 14 85 99
From: Bryan Gentile <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:01:35 -0400
Subject: Using the Edit commands in a menu
I was wondering if anyone knows how to code for the edit menu submenu
items
like cut, copy, and paste. I am trying to use these in my menu, but I
cannot find anything about how to code for them. Is there anything in
the
help or any examples to look at. I have been unsuccessful in finding
anything about this.
Thanks
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 9:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Global Variables
[email protected] writes:
<Snip!>
Unfortunately all Forte Service Objects share a single name
space. I thought from the documentation that User Visible
Service Objects would work for me. However, when I tried User
Visible Service Objects, they didn't quite do the trick because
what I wanted was identically named service objects that resolve
to a different local instance for each partition.You're right. You can put the user-visible service object in any
partition you like, but it must go in one and only one
partition. Rats. I can see why it's this way (based on the
minimal implementation of the name server), but I can think of
some good reasons why it shouldn't be. In fact, I may need to
move some methods around based on this discussion. Again, rats!
Tom Wyant
"The greatest danger of communication is the illusion that it has
occurred." (wish I knew who said that!).
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:54:10 -0500
Subject: Re: How does deep copy apply to arrays?
Copy option always copies deep. Remember, also if you pass the array
accross partitions, whether you specify copy or not, it is going to copy
and copy deep.
In an array, I am not sure if have the problem, because unless the array
in-turn holds a huge tree, the array object may be wide, but not deep.
Some thing to think about??
Venkat
End of forte-users-digest V1 #322
********************************* -
Is a User Visible service object, only accessible to the SO's also running in
the same partition?
Ex: MyDBSO is a DBSession in Part2. It's User visible and Session duration.
MySqlSO is a TOOL based SO in Part1 which uses MyDBSO for it's DB connection.
It's Environment visible and Session duration.
Will MySqlSO be able to 'see' MyDBSO? Would I have to move MyDBSO into the same
Partition as MySqlSO?
We had this scenario with a little "batch" jobs we run each morning to clean up
the database, reset values, etc. When partitioned (interpreted) as described
above, it ran on our development AIX box, but when the distribution was copied
& installed on our production box, the following error occurred: (acmbatchdb is
like the MyDBSO example above)
SYSTEM ERROR: Error invoking a method on an object of class
(qqdb_SessionProxy) named
(instance/80954a84-0e5d-11d1-b89b-478c23aeaa77:0x591:0x1/batchjobsprj_cl0/batchj
obsprj_cl0-acmbatchdb)
method (0xc,6,36).
Class: qqsp_DistAccessException
Error #: [601, 53]
Detected at: qqdo_Message::Failed at 99
Last TOOL statement: method BatchControllerClass.CreateOpenSchedule
Error Time: Mon Oct 20 18:56:35
Exception occurred (locally) on partition "BatchJobsPrj_cl0_Part1",
(partitionId = 80954A84-0E5D-11D1-B89B-478C23AEAA77:0x591:0x1, taskId =
[80954A84-0E5D-11D1-B89B-478C23AEAA77:0x591:0x1.21]) in application
"BatchJobsPrj_cl0", pid 32332 on node VCMApp in environment QuincyEnv.
SYSTEM ERROR: Cannot resolve the distributed reference for an object of
class (qqdb_SessionProxy) named
(instance/80954a84-0e5d-11d1-b89b-478c23aeaa77:0x591:0x1/batchjobsprj_cl0/batchj
obsprj_cl0-acmbatchdb)
for the reasons below.
Class: qqsp_DistAccessException
Error #: [601, 144]
Detected at: qqdo_ProxyMgr::ResolveOutGoingProxy at 10
Error Time: Mon Oct 20 18:56:35
Exception occurred (locally) on partition "BatchJobsPrj_cl0_Part1",
(partitionId = 80954A84-0E5D-11D1-B89B-478C23AEAA77:0x591:0x1, taskId
= [80954A84-0E5D-11D1-B89B-478C23AEAA77:0x591:0x1.21]) in application
"BatchJobsPrj_cl0", pid 32332 on node VCMApp in environment QuincyEnv.
SYSTEM ERROR: No objects with the name
(instance/80954a84-0e5d-11d1-b89b-478c23aeaa77:0x591:0x1/batchjobsprj_cl0/batchj
obsprj_cl0-acmbatchdb)
were found or are reachable.
Class: qqsp_DistAccessException
Error #: [601, 91]
Detected at: qqdo_OlsNameInfo::GetNextObjectName at 2
Error Time: Mon Oct 20 18:56:35
Exception occurred (locally) on partition "BatchJobsPrj_cl0_Part1",
(partitionId = 80954A84-0E5D-11D1-B89B-478C23AEAA77:0x591:0x1, taskId
= [80954A84-0E5D-11D1-B89B-478C23AEAA77:0x591:0x1.21]) in application
"BatchJobsPrj_cl0", pid 32332 on node VCMApp in environment QuincyEnv.
Shouldn't we have gotten this error on the development box too? We moved
acmbatchdb into the same partition as our 'BatchControllerClass' SQL service
object & it was happy on the production box. Hmmm.
Any ideas or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Steven Barnes
[email protected]Thanks - happy to award points but can you; -
1. explicitly answer - would this hide users reports if they did not belong to the same org id
2. point me at a document / blog / anything that details the 'how' of setting this up?
thanks,
Robert. -
At 12:32 AM 8/20/97 EDT, Gerard R. Connolly wrote:
>
The default partitioning in Forte does some strange things, in particular its
placement of user-visible service objects in the client partition no matter
where they are referenced and used.Do you have any sense about whether this relates to how well-stuctured the
projects are when you go to do the partitioning? I.e., if you had a tool
which helped in analyzing the way in which projects referenced each other
and could use this to create an idea project structure before you did the
partitioning, would the default partitioning be more likely to conform to
the desired end partitioning?
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We use a user-visible service object to manage the positioning and
cascading of our client windows, whether modal or not. Before each
window performs an Open(), it registers it's reference and title
with the SO. If there are other active windows of the same type,
the title is modified to include a colon and count number, as in
normal Windows applications. After the window performs the Close()
method, it de-registers itself with the SO. Whilst open, the window
can also call a method on the SO to cascade all active windows.
(Every window has a Window\Cascade menu item for this purpose.)
One of the reasons for using the SO to implement cascading, was to
enable the user to cascade only the Forte application windows. If a
non-Forte window gets in the way, you can use the Forte cascade to
bring the Forte windows in front of it again !
As an aside, the only windows that we have that are modal, are very
small input windows that don't need much in the way of behaviour.
As most of our windows are started using START TASKs, all windows
need to keep references to child windows that they have
instantiated, in order to perform orderly shutdowns, iconising and
re-opening.
Have fun !
Justin Levis
Hydro-Electric Commission
Hobart, Tasmania
AustraliaPlease read the information posted @
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa969540%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
Desktop Window Manager
The desktop composition feature, introduced in Windows Vista, fundamentally changed the way applications display pixels on the screen. When desktop composition is enabled, individual windows no longer draw directly to the screen or primary display
device as they did in previous versions of Windows. Instead, their drawing is redirected to off-screen surfaces in video memory, which are then rendered into a desktop image and presented on the display.
Desktop composition is performed by the Desktop Window Manager (DWM). Through desktop composition, DWM enables visual effects on the desktop
as well as various features such as glass window frames, 3-D window transition animations, Windows Flip and Windows Flip3D, and high resolution support.
The Desktop Window Manager runs as a Windows service. It can be enabled and disabled through the Administrative Tools Control Panel item, under Services, as Desktop Window Manager Session Manager.
Many of the DWM features can be controlled or accessed by an application through the DWM APIs. The following documentation describes the features and requirements of the DWM APIs.
Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread. ” -
We use a user-visible service object to manage the positioning and
cascading of our client windows, whether modal or not. Before each
window performs an Open(), it registers it's reference and title
with the SO. If there are other active windows of the same type,
the title is modified to include a colon and count number, as in
normal Windows applications. After the window performs the Close()
method, it de-registers itself with the SO. Whilst open, the window
can also call a method on the SO to cascade all active windows.
(Every window has a Window\Cascade menu item for this purpose.)
One of the reasons for using the SO to implement cascading, was to
enable the user to cascade only the Forte application windows. If a
non-Forte window gets in the way, you can use the Forte cascade to
bring the Forte windows in front of it again !
As an aside, the only windows that we have that are modal, are very
small input windows that don't need much in the way of behaviour.
As most of our windows are started using START TASKs, all windows
need to keep references to child windows that they have
instantiated, in order to perform orderly shutdowns, iconising and
re-opening.
Have fun !
Justin Levis
Hydro-Electric Commission
Hobart, Tasmania
AustraliaWe use a user-visible service object to manage the positioning and
cascading of our client windows, whether modal or not. Before each
window performs an Open(), it registers it's reference and title
with the SO. If there are other active windows of the same type,
the title is modified to include a colon and count number, as in
normal Windows applications. After the window performs the Close()
method, it de-registers itself with the SO. Whilst open, the window
can also call a method on the SO to cascade all active windows.
(Every window has a Window\Cascade menu item for this purpose.)
One of the reasons for using the SO to implement cascading, was to
enable the user to cascade only the Forte application windows. If a
non-Forte window gets in the way, you can use the Forte cascade to
bring the Forte windows in front of it again !
As an aside, the only windows that we have that are modal, are very
small input windows that don't need much in the way of behaviour.
As most of our windows are started using START TASKs, all windows
need to keep references to child windows that they have
instantiated, in order to perform orderly shutdowns, iconising and
re-opening.
Have fun !
Justin Levis
Hydro-Electric Commission
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia -
RE: (forte-users) FW: (forte-users)
Hi there
Thanks very much for the solution - just wanted to let you know . We
implemented the design that technote 11378 suggested .
It worked .
Thanks very much
Cheers
Jen
-----Original Message-----
From: Adamek, Zenon [mailto:ZAdamekpurolator.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March, 2001 9:21 PM
To: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: (forte-users) FW: (forte-users)
Hi David,
The problem is that the SO uses an attribute of its class ACBAccount as
the ObjectReference pointer. SO is not a stateless object. The possible
scenario before crash can be that client A and B calls SO at the same
time. A's thread creates ACBAccount gets the ObjectReference. At this
point B's thread is activated, does the same as A creates new
ObjectReference. Probably the next switch between A and B will be in the
Connect() (B should wait for OLE server). If A is reactivated it doesn't
get the original own reference but the B's reference. It can cause the
crash and means that a thread can use reference created in some other
thread.
Regards,
Zenon
-----Original Message-----
From: David McPaul [SMTP:dmcpaullumley.com.au]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:52 PM
To: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: RE: (forte-users)
Jenni,
As Zenon has pointed out, technote 11378 talks about problems that
can occur if the calls made to an OLE object are not from within the same
thread the OLE object was created in. It goes on to show a design to
avoid
this.
However, the code you have given DOES communicate to the OLE object
in the same thread as it was created. So the problem as I see it is more
likely to be that the OLE object is not being garbage collected. Although
you do explicitly NIL out the ACBAccount object there is a technote 12453
that deals with the need to set the ObjectReference of CDispatch objects
to
NIL to allow the OLE object to be completely reclaimed by the garbage
collector. Failure to do so when using code that creates a new OLE object
every time you ask for an account validation will eventually run the
partition out of memory.
As pointed out in a previous post you can also increase
FORTE_STACK_SIZE but this will delay the problem not correct it.
Rather than create the connection each time you may want to think
about redesigning the method as shown in tech note 11378.
Cheers
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Adamek, Zenon [mailto:ZAdamekpurolator.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:05 AM
To: 'Els, Jenni'
Cc: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: RE: (forte-users)
Hi Jenni,
The most important issue by designing an OLE connection between a Forte
server partition and an OLE component is taking into account that an OLE
object can be referenced from the NT thread in Forte partition that it was
created in. It is the reason that you have no problems with your mini-app
in
single-threaded version.
This problem is discussed in the Technote 11378. You can find a workaround
for your problem there, too.
Regards,
Zenon
-----Original Message-----
From: Els, Jenni [SMTP:JElsnbs.co.za]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:28 AM
To: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: (forte-users)
Hi there
We have this situation
We are calling a Service Object (in the server partition) from ourclient
partition.This service object calls a method which calls a DLLregistered
on our server (VB code) . This VB code access a database on anotherserver
.(DSN set up on our server ).The database is sql server .
We are having the problem where for about 3 hours in the morning , the
system works perfectly. We then get a segmentation violation on this
partition . When we run interpreted we can see that this is an OLEinvoked
exception. The partition does not always show as offline in econsole
and
because it does not , we cannot 'online' another . We cannot take the
entire app down as everything hangs . Eventually our technical depthas
to
down the server
We set up a mini-app looping through and calling the DLL to simulate
the
problem . It worked fine. When we put another asynchronous task in the
method to call the service object , it erred quite soon. We thencreate
an
attribute of type mutex and locked using that. The mini-app worked.
However our app in development eventually hanged (without the
partition
coming though) .
The service Object is an environment visible service object in asingle
(non-replicated partition) . It has a dialog duration = session .
In the project is
ACB : ACBObject
ACBObject : CDispatch (shared = disallowed , distributed =
disallowed, transactional = disallowed, monitored = allowed)
ACBValidator : Object (shared = allowed , distributed =allowed,
transactional = disallowed, monitored = disallowed)
ACBVaidatorSO : ACBValidator
In this method we have this code to call the DLL
self.ACBAccount = new;
self.ACBAccount.CreateUsingCLSID(classID='{2EFD3084-7B05-11D3-857F-00105A4
8CEA0}');
pErrorMessage = new;
acbaccount.BankCode = pBankCode.value;
acbaccount.BranchCode = pBranchCode.value;
at : VariantI2 = new;
at.Value = pAccountType.Value;
acbaccount.AccountType = at.Value;
acbaccount.AccountNo = pAccountNo.value;
begin
acbaccount.Connect();
exception
when e : GenericException do
ex : GenericException = new;
ex.SetWithParams(severity = SP_ER_ERROR,
message = 'There was an error connecting to the database');
raise ex;
end;
begin
err : i2 = acbaccount.ValidateAccount();
if err != 0 then
pErrorMessage.SetValue(acbaccount.ErrDescriptionStr(iErrorCode= err));
acbaccount.Disconnect();
return false;
else
pErrorMessage.SetValue('The account is
valid!!');
acbaccount.Disconnect();
self.ACBAccount = NIL ;
return true;
end if;
exception
when e : GenericException do
acbaccount.Disconnect();
ex : GenericException = new;
ex.SetWithParams(severity = SP_ER_ERROR,
message = 'There was an error Validating the account');
Task.ErrorMgr.AddError(ex);
task.errormgr.ShowErrors();
raise e;
end;
exception
when e : GenericException do
acbaccount.Disconnect();
Task.ErrorMgr.ShowErrors();
raise e;
If anybody has any suggestions , they would be most welcome
Thanks very much
Cheers
Jenni Els************************************************************************Th
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Thanks very much for the solution - just wanted to let you know . We
implemented the design that technote 11378 suggested .
It worked .
Thanks very much
Cheers
Jen
-----Original Message-----
From: Adamek, Zenon [mailto:ZAdamekpurolator.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March, 2001 9:21 PM
To: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: (forte-users) FW: (forte-users)
Hi David,
The problem is that the SO uses an attribute of its class ACBAccount as
the ObjectReference pointer. SO is not a stateless object. The possible
scenario before crash can be that client A and B calls SO at the same
time. A's thread creates ACBAccount gets the ObjectReference. At this
point B's thread is activated, does the same as A creates new
ObjectReference. Probably the next switch between A and B will be in the
Connect() (B should wait for OLE server). If A is reactivated it doesn't
get the original own reference but the B's reference. It can cause the
crash and means that a thread can use reference created in some other
thread.
Regards,
Zenon
-----Original Message-----
From: David McPaul [SMTP:dmcpaullumley.com.au]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:52 PM
To: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: RE: (forte-users)
Jenni,
As Zenon has pointed out, technote 11378 talks about problems that
can occur if the calls made to an OLE object are not from within the same
thread the OLE object was created in. It goes on to show a design to
avoid
this.
However, the code you have given DOES communicate to the OLE object
in the same thread as it was created. So the problem as I see it is more
likely to be that the OLE object is not being garbage collected. Although
you do explicitly NIL out the ACBAccount object there is a technote 12453
that deals with the need to set the ObjectReference of CDispatch objects
to
NIL to allow the OLE object to be completely reclaimed by the garbage
collector. Failure to do so when using code that creates a new OLE object
every time you ask for an account validation will eventually run the
partition out of memory.
As pointed out in a previous post you can also increase
FORTE_STACK_SIZE but this will delay the problem not correct it.
Rather than create the connection each time you may want to think
about redesigning the method as shown in tech note 11378.
Cheers
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Adamek, Zenon [mailto:ZAdamekpurolator.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:05 AM
To: 'Els, Jenni'
Cc: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: RE: (forte-users)
Hi Jenni,
The most important issue by designing an OLE connection between a Forte
server partition and an OLE component is taking into account that an OLE
object can be referenced from the NT thread in Forte partition that it was
created in. It is the reason that you have no problems with your mini-app
in
single-threaded version.
This problem is discussed in the Technote 11378. You can find a workaround
for your problem there, too.
Regards,
Zenon
-----Original Message-----
From: Els, Jenni [SMTP:JElsnbs.co.za]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:28 AM
To: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: (forte-users)
Hi there
We have this situation
We are calling a Service Object (in the server partition) from ourclient
partition.This service object calls a method which calls a DLLregistered
on our server (VB code) . This VB code access a database on anotherserver
.(DSN set up on our server ).The database is sql server .
We are having the problem where for about 3 hours in the morning , the
system works perfectly. We then get a segmentation violation on this
partition . When we run interpreted we can see that this is an OLEinvoked
exception. The partition does not always show as offline in econsole
and
because it does not , we cannot 'online' another . We cannot take the
entire app down as everything hangs . Eventually our technical depthas
to
down the server
We set up a mini-app looping through and calling the DLL to simulate
the
problem . It worked fine. When we put another asynchronous task in the
method to call the service object , it erred quite soon. We thencreate
an
attribute of type mutex and locked using that. The mini-app worked.
However our app in development eventually hanged (without the
partition
coming though) .
The service Object is an environment visible service object in asingle
(non-replicated partition) . It has a dialog duration = session .
In the project is
ACB : ACBObject
ACBObject : CDispatch (shared = disallowed , distributed =
disallowed, transactional = disallowed, monitored = allowed)
ACBValidator : Object (shared = allowed , distributed =allowed,
transactional = disallowed, monitored = disallowed)
ACBVaidatorSO : ACBValidator
In this method we have this code to call the DLL
self.ACBAccount = new;
self.ACBAccount.CreateUsingCLSID(classID='{2EFD3084-7B05-11D3-857F-00105A4
8CEA0}');
pErrorMessage = new;
acbaccount.BankCode = pBankCode.value;
acbaccount.BranchCode = pBranchCode.value;
at : VariantI2 = new;
at.Value = pAccountType.Value;
acbaccount.AccountType = at.Value;
acbaccount.AccountNo = pAccountNo.value;
begin
acbaccount.Connect();
exception
when e : GenericException do
ex : GenericException = new;
ex.SetWithParams(severity = SP_ER_ERROR,
message = 'There was an error connecting to the database');
raise ex;
end;
begin
err : i2 = acbaccount.ValidateAccount();
if err != 0 then
pErrorMessage.SetValue(acbaccount.ErrDescriptionStr(iErrorCode= err));
acbaccount.Disconnect();
return false;
else
pErrorMessage.SetValue('The account is
valid!!');
acbaccount.Disconnect();
self.ACBAccount = NIL ;
return true;
end if;
exception
when e : GenericException do
acbaccount.Disconnect();
ex : GenericException = new;
ex.SetWithParams(severity = SP_ER_ERROR,
message = 'There was an error Validating the account');
Task.ErrorMgr.AddError(ex);
task.errormgr.ShowErrors();
raise e;
end;
exception
when e : GenericException do
acbaccount.Disconnect();
Task.ErrorMgr.ShowErrors();
raise e;
If anybody has any suggestions , they would be most welcome
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RE: (forte-users) Solaris -Dbsession Connectionproblem
Yes, i set all the environment variables, the
application could able to read as well.
Thanks
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Make sure the environment variable you might be
using are defined on the
server and also the resource manager name.
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Subject: (forte-users) Solaris -Dbsession Connection
problem
Hi All,
I have one weird problem. My application runs
locally, but when i run distributed it kicks off
saying, "unable to to connect to remote partition,
please go there and look". In this application, i
have
simple DBSession connection to the Database, from
Solaris box, it works fine, but if i run the same
application, distributed mode, keeping that
DbSession
partition on the same machine, it throws the error.
Any ideas, whats wrong here?
Thanks,
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I have set, the new resource manager, and
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RE: (forte-users) Confusion with return event
Samer,
The return event is delivered to the calling task, which is the window in
your first test. It is not deliverd to the event loop of the service object
unless the call to the processor originated in the event loop, which is the
case in your second test. The output you get from the server is exactly as I
would expect.
You need the following code in you client:
event loop
postregister
SomeService1.StartImmediate();
when SomeService1.Proc.ProcessEvent_return do
task.Part.Logmgr.Putline('ProcessEvents_return');
when SomeService1.Proc.ProcessEvent_exception do
task.Part.Logmgr.Putline('ProcessEvents_exception');
end event;
Note that this logoutput will not be written to a logfile, but will appear
in the logwindow which is opened when you start a client application.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Samer Kanjo [mailto:skanjoyahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:54 AM
To: ForteUsers
Subject: (forte-users) Confusion with return event
I have observed some odd behavior when attempting to
catch a return event for a method invoked using start
task. I provided the primary classes I used during my
test and some output produced by those classes at the
bottom of this message.
The SomeService1 class is used to create an
environment visible service object and the Processor
class is one of its members. The Processor class
starts processing when one of two things happens: the
SomeService1 timer ticks off 10 seconds or when
SomeService1.StartImmediate is called directly by
another entity. Either way StartImmediate is called to
start processing.
The provided output is the result of starting a test
application and invoking StartImmediate from another
object (I used a window) and then observing what
happens when the timer ticks. As you can see the
invocation from the window did not result in the
return event being received. However, the return event
was received when the timer ticked.
According to the Forte documentation a return event
will only be posted to the parent task's event queue.
Since I am making a cross partition call, the window
and service object are not really in the same task
(Unless my assumption is wrong). That would explain
why the window did not cause a return event to be
generated but was an event generated but not caught
and if so where did the event go?
In SomeService2 class I added an event StartProcessing
and moved the code from StartImmediate to the
StartProcessing event case in the event loop and
simply posted the StartProcessing event in
StartImmediate. I performed the same test I used when
testing SomeService1. The Traceback output is
identical for the window invocation but the return
event is received this time! Why?
It seems that to guarantee the receipt of a return
event an asynchronous task must be initiated from
within an event loop. Is this correct?
I do not understand this behavior does someone have
any thoughts on this? How can you guarantee the
receipt of a return event?
Samer Kanjo
OUTPUT FROM SOMESERVICE1
StartTaskTest_cl0: processing loop listening
StartTaskTest_cl0:
Traceback:
SomeService.StartImmediate at line 1
TestWin.Display at line 4
C++ Method(s)
UserApp.Run at offset 105
StartTaskTest_cl0:
StartTaskTest_cl0: Start processing...
StartTaskTest_cl0: Processing complete.
StartTaskTest_cl0:
Traceback:
SomeService.StartImmediate at line 1
SomeService.ProcessingLoop at line 9
StartTaskTest_cl0:
StartTaskTest_cl0: Start processing...
StartTaskTest_cl0: Processing complete.
StartTaskTest_cl0: ProcessEvents_return
OUTPUT FROM SOMESERVICE2
StartTaskTest_cl0: processing loop listening
StartTaskTest_cl0:
Traceback:
SomeService2.StartImmediate at line 1
TestWin.Display at line 4
C++ Method(s)
UserApp.Run at offset 105
StartTaskTest_cl0:
StartTaskTest_cl0: Start processing...
StartTaskTest_cl0: Processing complete.
StartTaskTest_cl0: ProcessEvents_return
StartTaskTest_cl0:
Traceback:
SomeService2.StartImmediate at line 1
SomeService2.ProcessingLoop at line 9
StartTaskTest_cl0:
StartTaskTest_cl0: Start processing...
StartTaskTest_cl0: Processing complete.
StartTaskTest_cl0: ProcessEvents_return
SOMESERVICE1 CLASS
begin CLASS;
class SomeService1 inherits from Framework.Object
has public attribute proc: StartTaskTest.Processor;
has public attribute processing: Framework.boolean;
has public method Init;
has public method ProcessingLoop;
has public method StartImmediate;
has property
shared=(allow=off, override=on);
transactional=(allow=off, override=on);
monitored=(allow=off, override=on);
distributed=(allow=on, override=on, default=off);
end class;
method SomeService1.Init
begin
super.Init();
processing = FALSE;
proc = new;
start task ProcessingLoop();
end method;
method SomeService1.ProcessingLoop
begin
timer : Timer = new;
timer.tickInterval = 10000;
event loop
task.part.logmgr.putline('processing loop
listening');
timer.isActive = TRUE;
when timer.tick do
StartImmediate();
when proc.ProcessEvents_return do
task.part.logmgr.putline('ProcessEvents_return');
processing = FALSE;
when proc.ProcessEvents_exception do
task.part.logmgr.putline('ProcessEvents_exception');
processing = FALSE;
when task.shutdown do
exit;
end event;
end method;
method SomeService1.StartImmediate
begin
task.part.logmgr.putline(task.traceBack());
processing = TRUE;
start task proc.ProcessEvents() where completion =
event;
end method;
end CLASS;
SOMESERVICE2 CLASS
begin CLASS;
class SomeService2 inherits from Framework.Object
has public attribute proc: StartTaskTest.Processor;
has public attribute processing: Framework.boolean;
has public event StartProcessing;
has public method Init;
has public method ProcessingLoop;
has public method StartImmediate;
has property
shared=(allow=off, override=on);
transactional=(allow=off, override=on);
monitored=(allow=off, override=on);
distributed=(allow=on, override=on, default=off);
end class;
method SomeService2.Init
begin
super.Init();
processing = FALSE;
proc = new;
start task ProcessingLoop();
end method;
method SomeService2.ProcessingLoop
begin
timer : Timer = new;
timer.tickInterval = 10000;
event loop
task.part.logmgr.putline('processing loop
listening');
timer.isActive = TRUE;
when timer.tick do
StartImmediate();
when self.StartProcessing do
processing = TRUE;
start task proc.ProcessEvents() where completion =
event;
when proc.ProcessEvents_return do
task.part.logmgr.putline('ProcessEvents_return');
processing = FALSE;
when proc.ProcessEvents_exception do
task.part.logmgr.putline('ProcessEvents_exception');
processing = FALSE;
when task.shutdown do
exit;
end event;
end method;
method SomeService2.StartImmediate
begin
task.part.logmgr.putline(task.traceBack());
post StartProcessing;
end method;
end CLASS;
PROCESSOR CLASS
begin CLASS;
class Processor inherits from Framework.Object
has public method Init;
has public method ProcessEvents where completion =
(return = ProcessEvents_return, exception =
ProcessEvents_exception);
has property
shared=(allow=off, override=on);
transactional=(allow=off, override=on);
monitored=(allow=off, override=on);
distributed=(allow=off, override=on);
end class;
method Processor.Init
begin
super.Init();
end method;
method Processor.ProcessEvents
begin
task.part.logmgr.putline('Start processing...');
task.Delay(msecs = 1500);
task.part.logmgr.putline('Processing complete.');
end method;
end CLASS;
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email the word: 'Unsubscribe' to: forte-users-requestlists.xpedior.comYes, you're right. The return event is queued until the moment that you
actually enter an eventloop. I stand corrected.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Adamek, Zenon [mailto:ZAdamekpurolator.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:13 PM
To: Rottier, Pascal
Cc: 'forte-userslists.xpedior.com'
Subject: RE: (forte-users) Confusion with return event
I think it is always safe to use start task with where complition = event
clause before event loop. The reason is described in Forte Help in the
Complition Clause index:
"Requesting the return and exception events automatically registers the
events for the calling task. When the asynchronous method completes or
terminates, Forté adds the appropriate event to the calling task's event
queue.
This registration is unlike the event registration for the event statement.
In the event statement, the event is registered just before the event
statement is ready to process the event. In the start task statement, the
return and exception events are registered when the task is started, even
though it can be much later on that your application is prepared to wait for
those events. Therefore, only the "parent" task that executes the start task
statement is registered for the completion event of the started task."
and some comments from "Forte Performance and Patterns" page 18:
"When you use the where completion = event clause in the start task
statement, Forte automatically buffer the return event until you register
for it. Therefore, you do not need to worry about the child task completing
before you register for its return event".
Regards,
Zenon
-----Original Message-----
From: Rottier, Pascal [SMTP:Rottier.Pascalpmintl.ch]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:16 AM
To: 'Samer Kanjo'; ForteUsers
Subject: RE: (forte-users) Confusion with return event
Yes, if you want the eventloop of the service object to be informed when
the
method on the processor class is invoked, regardless of who invoked it,
then
you should simply post an event as the last statement inside the method on
the processor class.
The return events are only used to inform a partent task that a child-task
has completed. So, only the calling task receives the event, only if the
calling task is inside an event-loop at the moment the child-task
terminates
and only if there really is a child task (method started using "start task
Note, that the calling task doesn't have to be inside an event loop when
the
asynchronous call is made. It has to be inside an eventloop when the
asynchronous task terminates. The following piece of code works just as
well:
SomeService1.StartImmediate();
self.DoSomeOtherStuff();
event loop
when SomeService1.Proc.ProcessEvent_return do
task.Part.Logmgr.Putline('ProcessEvents_return');
when SomeService1.Proc.ProcessEvent_exception do
task.Part.Logmgr.Putline('ProcessEvents_exception');
end event;
However, if the asynchronous task started from within "StartImmediate"
finishes before the client gets a chance to enter its event loop, then
you're too late to catch the event. That's why it's safer to use the
"postregister" function, which makes sure a certain action is not started
untill all events from the event loop have been registered.
Pascal Rottier
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-----Original Message-----
From: Samer Kanjo [mailto:skanjoyahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 5:04 PM
To: ForteUsers
Subject: RE: (forte-users) Confusion with return event
Pascal,
So you are confirming that a return event can only be
received in an event loop if a task is started from
within that event loop.
After making your proposed changes I was able to
receive the return event in the window.
I originally wanted the SomeService event loop to
always receive the return event regardless of whether
or not StartImmediate is called by some other entity
or called when the timer ticks. It seems that the only
way to do this is with events. Is that correct?
Thank you for insight,
Samer Kanjo
--- "Rottier, Pascal" <Rottier.Pascalpmintl.ch>
wrote:
Samer,
The return event is delivered to the calling task,
which is the window in
your first test. It is not deliverd to the event
loop of the service object
unless the call to the processor originated in the
event loop, which is the
case in your second test. The output you get from
the server is exactly as I
would expect.
You need the following code in you client:
event loop
postregister
SomeService1.StartImmediate();
when SomeService1.Proc.ProcessEvent_return do
task.Part.Logmgr.Putline('ProcessEvents_return');
when SomeService1.Proc.ProcessEvent_exception do
task.Part.Logmgr.Putline('ProcessEvents_exception');
end event;
Note that this logoutput will not be written to a
logfile, but will appear
in the logwindow which is opened when you start a
client application.
Pascal Rottier
Atos Origin Nederland (BAS/West End User Computing)
Tel. +31 (0)10-2661223
Fax. +31 (0)10-2661199
E-mail: Pascal.Rottiernl.origin-it.com
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Tel. +31 (0)164-295149
Fax. +31 (0)164-294444
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Re: (forte-users) loadbalancing a service object
Hi,
If you need to share the values between your So, you can find a sample on
http://perso.club-internet.fr/dnguyen
It was designed to show how to manage shared states between replicates using
fail over. It could also be used for load-bancing. A better way should be to
manage the names of service objects within Forte (with the application,
project name and compatibility level), but through the NameServer.
Hope this helps,
Daniel Nguyen
Freelance Forte Consultant
http://perso.club-internet.fr/dnguyen/
Xiao, Menghua a écrit:
Hello,
I tried to loadbalance a service object that has both methods and
attributes. The first copy of the service object works fine. However, all
the attributes of the second copy of the service object are nil when a
client try to use this copy. How can I make those two copies exactly the
same?
I am new to Forte. Any input will be greatly appreciated.
Menghua Xiao
Regional Transportation District,
Denver, Colorado, USA
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If you need to share the values between your So, you can find a sample on
http://perso.club-internet.fr/dnguyen
It was designed to show how to manage shared states between replicates using
fail over. It could also be used for load-bancing. A better way should be to
manage the names of service objects within Forte (with the application,
project name and compatibility level), but through the NameServer.
Hope this helps,
Daniel Nguyen
Freelance Forte Consultant
http://perso.club-internet.fr/dnguyen/
Xiao, Menghua a écrit:
Hello,
I tried to loadbalance a service object that has both methods and
attributes. The first copy of the service object works fine. However, all
the attributes of the second copy of the service object are nil when a
client try to use this copy. How can I make those two copies exactly the
same?
I am new to Forte. Any input will be greatly appreciated.
Menghua Xiao
Regional Transportation District,
Denver, Colorado, USA
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Re: (forte-users) Service Object
what about subclassing it and putting the agent stuff in there
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ramarao Pabbaraju <RPabbarajulmimsno.com>
To: <kamranaminyahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:02 AM
Subject: (forte-users) Service Object
Hi,
We have a class X which we would like to use it for service object andalso
to instantiate it locally to call some methods. We would like to have
system agents for the service object, but not for objects instantiated
locally. In other words, if the object is used for service object, only
then we want the agents (customized) to be initialized. How do we find out
whether it is service object in Init method self? Service objectproperties
(like isAnchored) or attributes (given from ServiceObject
properties/initial values window) are set only at the end of init method.
One workaround we could think of is start a task at the end of init method
and also delay the execution of method. Is there any clean way of doing
this?
Thanks in advance,
Ramarao
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RE: (forte-users) Object Request Brokers.....
Hi Rajeev,
I just happen to have the following two technotes on hand that helped me
answers the very same questions..
<<forte.zip>>
Hope it helps... if you need more help... fell free to give me a shout!
Ciao
Kim
-----Original Message-----
From: Rajeev Talwar [SMTP:rtalshotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:34 PM
To: kamranaminyahoo.com
Subject: (forte-users) Object Request Brokers.....
Hi All,
We are writing a cold fusion application which needs to use some
services from a Forte application. We also have a Cold Fusion Visi
Broker(ORB)to communicate with Forte. I was wondering what all we need
in order to get a handle to all the service objects used by Forte
application in our Cold Fusion application.
Also do we need to change our deployment scheme for the Forte
application. I
believe we have to make a special deployment
for Forte application to be available to ORB's. By default,
Forte uses Unix internal communication mechanism like sockets
etc. for service objects to be available across different
partitions.
Also do we need to run both applications and ORB on the same box
or can we put them in some kind of network.
I hope I made myself quite clear what we are looking for. I will be
more than happy to put some more details in case someone needs
further clarification.
Are there any technotes out there whcih we can refer to.
I will appreciate any thoughts.
-Rajeev Talwar
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forte-users-requestlists.xpedior.comYou can also use the HTTP-DC project.... You don't
need Web Enterprise for this. From what I can tell,
this is available in L.x on....
There is api documentation in M.2 (with scant
examples.)
There's a special process to put the project in your
repository (it isn't installed in the repository in
the standard install,) the documentation in M.2
(probably in M.0 too, AFAIK) that tells you how to do
this (look for HTTP-DC in the online help.)
I haven't done much with it yet, I've just installed
it. If anybody out there has examples, that'd be
great. I'll try to contribute more the moment I get a
chance to explore it....
Christopher Fury
BellSouth Communications Systems
--- Daniel Nguyen <dnguyenclub-internet.fr> wrote:
Hi,
If you have Web Enterprise, you can user
HttpAccess.SendRequest().
Hope this helps,
Daniel Nguyen
Freelance Forte Consultant
Amin, Kamran a écrit:
Is there any way to make a HTTP request from TOOLto another HTTP Service?
thanks in advance.
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