Resistance to temperature

Hi,
I need to accept the resistance and convert that to temperature in Labview. Cn some one give me the formula.
Actualy I need to get the temperature below 73K. But my RTD (FP-RTD-122) has data configuration as 73k - 1123k and not below 73k.
So i hv to do this is the labview program by accepting the resistance (0-400 ohms) and convert to temperature.
Thanks in advance.

To clarify, this topic is a duplicate to the one linked above.
Trey B
Applications Engineering
National Instruments

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