Right steps to use DNG Profile Editor and ACR

What is the right sequence of steps to do to use properly DNG PE and ACR ?
Must be converted the RAW in DNG directly, without open the RAW in ACR ?
Must be opened the RAW file in ACR, reset the ACR values to zero and then convert the RAW in DNG format ?
Must be converted the RAW file in DNG and then reset the ACR values before apply the camera recipe created ?
thanks in advance,
federico

thank you Massimo,
the procedure is clear now.
"What is the nearest original Adobe profile that is so "equal" to the GM one you obtain?"
what i want to say is that when i open the file raw in ACR i see some colors. when i apply the profile generated by PE, i see about the sames colors. i notice that the colors are about the same without the profile (little differences i see in the darken tones but only in the ACR graphic). this with my D700. with the D200 the differences before to apply the profile and after are strong, visible.
Grazie Massimo,
credo sia tutto chiaro adesso anche se mi lascia perplesso il risultato finale.
"What is the nearest original Adobe profile that is so "equal" to the GM one you obtain?"
quello che volevo dire è che con o senza profilo, praticamente l'immagine con la D700 varia di pochissimo (me ne accorgo solo leggendo il grafico in ACR). con la D200 invece, applicare un profilo ha un impatto molto evidente, le differenze sono marcate.
grazie
ps: your english is right. it is mine that does not work so well.

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About to use DNG Profile editor

I've had my Colorchecker for a few weeks, and I finally have time to set up my profiles for LR 3.4. In reading the DNG Profile editor tutorial page (http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles:Editor), I have a few questions:
1) If I use Tutorial 5, I am guessing I will have to create a profile for each lighting/WB condition, i.e., one for Tungsten, one for Fluorescent, one for sunny, one for overcast, one for flash, etc... Is that correct? Is there an advantage to doing this vs. going for the dual-illuminant approach explained in Tutorial 6?
2) In Tutorial 6, for the dual illuminant profiles, it states that one of the reference shots should be taken at 6500K. I'm not quite sure how to achieve this, since daylight and flash, to semi-constant WB sources I can easily achieve, are around 5000-5600K.
3) Should I (in LR) White-balance the Colorchecker reference shots, then convert to DNG, prior to bringing the DNG file into DNG Profile editor? Or is it preferable to WB as explained in Tutorial 1, step 3?
4) Finally, it's somewhat unclear how I bring the profiles into LR for use during the Import or Develop phases. Tutorial 1, step 9 mentions a "CameraProfiles directory" for ACR and LR, so I'm guessing I need to go digging through the Adobe folders to locate this directory and place/save my profiles there?

eswrite wrote:
1) If I use Tutorial 5, I am guessing I will have to create a profile for each lighting/WB condition, i.e., one for Tungsten, one for Fluorescent, one for sunny, one for overcast, one for flash, etc... Is that correct?
If you want a broad purpose DNG profile then yes, doing a dual illuminate profile is useful. Shoot a target under tungsten and under daylight and make the dual illuminate profile. There's no real reason you need to spawn off a bunch of other profiles for only slightly different light. The dual illuminate will handle cloudy or overcast just fine. If you also shoot with special lighting sources like fluorescent (which doesn't have a complete spectrum) or other non-standard lighting sources then do a profile for those special conditions. If you are creating a profile specifically for studio flash, you can get by doing only a single illuminate profile for the strobes...but in that case, the profile won't be as accurate if you also try to use it under tungsten–which would be the reason to do a dual illuminate profile.
As far as the D65 color temp, the closer you can get to it the better, but D55 should work fine. The key is to make sure it's evenly lit. The big difference between D65/D50/D55 is the relative amount of the blue light components-all three will be fairly close. Tungsten however has vastly less blue which can impact the sensor's spectral response–which is why the dual illuminate is suggested.
Once you do the CC shot, don't bother with tone/color corrections in ACR before converting to DNG. They won't have a material impact on the profile creation. The CC shot MUST be evenly lit and of an optimal exposure...
As far as where the profile goes, it depends on the system. Once you've created the profile, PE should default to the correct location, otherwise state your system and we can tell you where to put them.

DNG Profile editor and white balance

I am very happy to see the practical realization of the extentions announced in the DNG 1.2 specification. This is a great step forward to achieve wide acceptance of DNG.
While reading the User's Guide, I found following statement (in the Tutorial 1):
>3. (Optional) If the image is not already white-balanced, you can perform a click-WB using a context click
Why would one white balance here? What effect does that have on the result? The profile describes, which HSV will be converted in which HSV; this has nothing to do with the WB of a particular image.

The WB feature in the DNG Profile Editor (PE) is there because it is possible that you might open a DNG file in PE that has not already been white balanced. Imagine you photographed an image under tungsten lighting but had the in-camera WB manually set to daylight. If you didn't set the WB before converting the image to a DNG, it will appear very warm when you open it up in PE. So PE's WB feature is designed to save you time by letting you do a click-WB instead of having to go back to CR or LR to adjust the image's WB.
PE is named "profile editor" because it only edits profiles. It is not an image editor. So you are correct, you do not really need an image to edit profiles, technically. However, unless you have an image open you have no way to evaluate how good your adjustments are.
Typically the only reason to make a profile or edit a profile is if there's something about an existing profile that you're unhappy with. And you'd be unhappy because you'd have an example of a "problem" image, where the existing profile doesn't produce the result you want. That's the image you want to bring into the PE, so you can pick out the colors that are "wrong" and fix them.
Then ideally you would open many more images in PE just to verify that your adjustments generalize well.

Using DNG profile editor

If I have exported a profile from the DNG Profile Editor, will that profile automatically show up in the camera calibration panel of Lightroom 2.0 ? If it is not a very good profile, how do I then delete it? (computer is running Vista).
Thanks.

MadManChan2000 wrote:
(2) if you want to delete it outright, visit this directory to delete it manually...
- Be aware that if you do this, all of the photos that were using the deleted profile will revert to "something else". i.e. the profiles are not embedded in the images. Theoretically they could be, but they aren't - somebody please correct me if I didn't say that quite right.
It may be more correct to say that although all the profile information is still in the DNG image file, Lightroom can not access it from there, and neither can the DNG Profile editor.
You could however use dcpTool to reformulate a useable profile from the info that is embedded in the DNG image file, if you wanted.
I'm a bit out on a limb here, so please don't hold me to all of this, exactly.
Rob
Message was edited by: Rob Cole

Using DNG Profile Editor to modify global saturation

Ok, now I'm dangerous, have used dng_validate to dissect several profiles, both Adobe base and various constructed with PE. I believe I have a reasonable grasp as to which tags are added/modified for various PE operations.
I believe the Adobe Camera Neutral Beta 1 for the D300 does a good job of matching the Nikon neutral picture control. However, my normal configuration for walk-around shooting is the neutral picture control with +1 contrast and +1 saturation. It's easy enough to add contrast to the Adobe Neutral profile with a tone curve; however so far the only advice on adding global saturation is to move the matrix sat. controls, which in turn modifies the ForwardMatrix tags. Is moving each of the three sat controls an equal amount really equivalent to adding a fixed global saturation across all colors?
Or is it better to set up a table with all 18 cc colors and add a fixed saturation to each? Too bad there isn't a global command that would add a fixed sat amount to every entry in the ProfileHueSatMap tags.
Richard Southworth

>Adobe, is there any generally accepted standard for modifying global saturation, or is it just a crapshoot?
There's a big difference when doing image edits in a linear gamma space and a gamma encoded space. Contrary to Margulis, I think it's foolish _NOT_ to use the tools of Camera Raw because you can not exactly duplicate the results in Photoshop (and sometimes visa versa)...and it's Camera Raw whose toolset is designed for working with raw captures. If you have Camera Raw open, making adjustments takes only moments and substantially reduces the time required in Photoshop...and for those things that Photoshop is uniquely suited for, why golly, when you click Open, you get the image with the CR adjustments, open in Photoshop for whatever other adjustments you may need. How cool is that?
Just to be perfectly clear, Margulis knows Photoshop...he's made a career out of writing and teaching about Photoshop. So, he's predisposed to develop processing routines for Photoshop. He's _NOT_ a photographer and doesn't have a photographer's sensibilities...it's also my experience that Dan doesn't really get much practice working with Camera Raw and his skills may be a bit, uh...underdeveloped? And that's fine. Photoshop is a powerful place to edit images of any kind. However, Camera Raw was specifically designed for working with raw, digital captures and you may as well take advantage of that and combine the power of Camera Raw with Photoshop.

DNG Profile Editor step-by-step usage

I hope all will forgive the long post, trying to both verify my understanding and perhaps help others by providing more detail.
1. Shot the CC with a D300 and D200 outside with cloud cover, exposures within seconds of each other, different lenses but both Nikkor.
2. Brought both nefs into ACR, white balanced (approx. 5500K) and equalized exposure using second neutral patch, applied new Adobe standard beta profiles to each. Very good match, first time I've ever seen truly equal images from the two cameras thru ACR.
3. Created DNG's of each cc image nef with DNG Converter.
4. Used DNG Profile Editor on the D300 image (white balanced), set base profile to Adobe standard beta, selected only the Red, Green, and Blue patches on second row. No changes to three colors, created recipe with "Edit both color tables smimultaneously" checked.
5. Opened recipe file with Wordpad, very interesting to examine, easy to see what's going on since in XML format. Six color adjustment sections, three for 2850 and three for 6500. Also the entire base profile in binary form is encapsulated in the XML file.
6. Opened D200 DNG file in PE, white balanced, used old 4.4 profile as base (deliberately trying to create different colors than D300). Loaded the D300 based recipe, exported new D200 profile.
7. Now back to ACR, loaded D300 cc image with Adobe standard beta profile selected and white balanced, and D200 cc image with old 4.4 profile selected and white balanced and exposure adjusted to match D300 image. Opened both in Photoshop CS3 in ProPhoto space. As expected, there was considerable difference in the color patches, both visually and by the numbers.
8. Back again to ACR, loaded D200 cc image with recipe modified profile from step 6 and white balanced and exposure adjusted to match D300. Brought into PS and compared to D300 image. Now the Red,Green,Blue patches matched well with the D300 image, only slight differences. Actually just selecting those three patches brought all 18 cc patches into a fairly close match.
In conclusion it appears to me that a recipe has enough information, with the color table entries and the embedded base profile, to "move" the same colors in another profile to achieve a good match. And it's apparently moving "both ends" (2850K and 6500K separate sections) of the profile appropriately, although I'm less sure of this. Quite an interesting and useful development by Adobe.
Richard Southworth

I hope all will forgive the long post, trying to both verify my understanding and perhaps help others by providing more detail.
1. Shot the CC with a D300 and D200 outside with cloud cover, exposures within seconds of each other, different lenses but both Nikkor.
2. Brought both nefs into ACR, white balanced (approx. 5500K) and equalized exposure using second neutral patch, applied new Adobe standard beta profiles to each. Very good match, first time I've ever seen truly equal images from the two cameras thru ACR.
3. Created DNG's of each cc image nef with DNG Converter.
4. Used DNG Profile Editor on the D300 image (white balanced), set base profile to Adobe standard beta, selected only the Red, Green, and Blue patches on second row. No changes to three colors, created recipe with "Edit both color tables smimultaneously" checked.
5. Opened recipe file with Wordpad, very interesting to examine, easy to see what's going on since in XML format. Six color adjustment sections, three for 2850 and three for 6500. Also the entire base profile in binary form is encapsulated in the XML file.
6. Opened D200 DNG file in PE, white balanced, used old 4.4 profile as base (deliberately trying to create different colors than D300). Loaded the D300 based recipe, exported new D200 profile.
7. Now back to ACR, loaded D300 cc image with Adobe standard beta profile selected and white balanced, and D200 cc image with old 4.4 profile selected and white balanced and exposure adjusted to match D300 image. Opened both in Photoshop CS3 in ProPhoto space. As expected, there was considerable difference in the color patches, both visually and by the numbers.
8. Back again to ACR, loaded D200 cc image with recipe modified profile from step 6 and white balanced and exposure adjusted to match D300. Brought into PS and compared to D300 image. Now the Red,Green,Blue patches matched well with the D300 image, only slight differences. Actually just selecting those three patches brought all 18 cc patches into a fairly close match.
In conclusion it appears to me that a recipe has enough information, with the color table entries and the embedded base profile, to "move" the same colors in another profile to achieve a good match. And it's apparently moving "both ends" (2850K and 6500K separate sections) of the profile appropriately, although I'm less sure of this. Quite an interesting and useful development by Adobe.
Richard Southworth

Converting LUTs to Camera Profiles in the DNG Profile Editor

Hi,
I've just started using the DNG Profile Editor, and can't seem to get the process right.
I have some film LUTs that I'd like to convert to camera profiles for my 5D Mk II.
Here's how I'm trying to do it, maybe someone can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
This is what I tried first:
1. Take a Color Chart into Photoshop, apply the LUT via Color Lookup adjustment layer.
2. Save out as 16bit TIFF
3. Open as Camera Raw, then save out as DNG
4. Open the adjusted color chart into DNG Profile Editor, run it through the color chart section to create a recipe of color adjustments.
5. Export out as Camera Profile
But when I open up a 5D image in Lightroom, the profile doesn't show up in the list, so I realised maybe it needs to be saved specifically as a 5D profile, but I can't figure out how.
If I:
1. Do steps 1-4 as above
2. Open a 5D DNG file so that I can set a 5D profile as the base profile
3. Load the recipe
The color adjustments appear on the color wheel, but nothing happens to the 5D image, no colour change at all.
Exporting it (which does say 'Export as 5D profile') does then give me a profile that shows up in Lightroom, but it doesn't do anything to the image...
What's the correct way of doing this?
Thanks!
S

I don’t know claim to know anything about the internals of DNG Camera Profiles, but I’m pretty sure you cannot take a RGB-file (TIF/JPG) DNG and make a raw-file DNG Profile for use with your camera raws, which sounds like what you’re trying to do.
Despite looking like it might work in DNGPE, starting with an RGB-file recipe (rather than a RAW-file recipe) will only lock the specific colors on the color wheel, rather than create a raw-capable camera profile.

Questions about DNG Profile Editor recipe code

I have been playing around with DNG Profile Editor. With a text editor I made the following recipe:
I have some questions:
1. Right now I have my control points at 60 saturation. Will using two points for each color (say 70 and 40) make my changes more consistent across darker and lighter shades of the specific color?
2. Does DNG Profile editor respect HueLow and HueHigh, are they just placeholder numbers, or are they ignored if two points are close to each other?
3. What does FeatherAdjust do? I'm guessing it controls the rate of drop off of the corrections. Is the value respected by DNG Profile editor when it creates a profile?
Thanks for your time and attention, -Bruce.

1. For now DNG-only. Here's why:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#PEOnlyDNG
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#WhyNameDNGPE
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#WhyPESeparate
2. Standalone for now. See above links for why.
3. Use the 'Preview Color Changes' option in the Options menu.
4. You can use 'Apply Raw Adjustments' in the Options menu to see your raw adjustments. This is __not__ recommended for building a general-purpose profile because you are then optimizing a profile with specific image adjustments in mind, rather than building a profile based more on the inherent camera characteristics.
5. True, that is a limitation of this implementation.
6. I am not sure what you mean. The Chart Wizard automatically optimizes the color patches in a test shot based on reference values for many physical charts, which is more practically useful than the numbers printed on the reference card that comes with the chart.
7. Make sure you avoid color casts in the bottom row. The PE is picky about making sure your gray patches are relatively neutral. It is an attempt to help you get a better profile.
8. Use 'Show Affected Colors' from the Options menu.
You may wish to read this page carefully and thoroughly:
documentation
It is the reference online documentation for the DNG Profile Editor and a few of the things you wish to do, such as preview all color changes, apply raw adjustments, and visualize the extent of each color adjustment, are all documented there.

Adobe DNG Profile Editor

Has there been any update to this beyond that in 2008 found on Adobe Labs? (I want to try using it to calibrate ACR for my camera with a shot of a MacBeth Color Chart.)
To be more precise about this, I currently use ACR Calibrator to calibrate ACR for my Canon 1Ds II. I now see there is beta 3 of Adobe DNG Profile Editor but note that it utilises a small subset of the GMB Digital Colorchecker SG target chart.
ACR Calibrator seems to produce quite different results from Adobe DNG Profile Editor. I have followed the steps below when using the latter.
Download DNG Profile Editor and drag to Applications
Launch Photoshop and open the raw file of your macbeth target.
In camera raw, place all settings to zero, curve to linear and turn off any sharpening etc. Click Save Image, choose dng as the file format and save it.
Launch DNG Profile Editor.
File / Open DNG File and choose the dng file you saved previously.
Select the chart tab in DNG Profile Editor.
Move the colored circles to the center of the matching colored corner square in your raw file
Click Create Color Table.
Choose File/Export <Camera> profile... Give it a name and save.
Exit DNG Profile Editor.
Re-launch photoshop and open a raw file. In Camera Raw, on the calibration tab, you should now see the profile you just saved.

ssprengel wrote:
I don't know of any other references or CC Passport numbers other than what Google can come up with. Babelcolor has some standard-deviation of spectrum numbers for a sampling of 20 charts done in 2006 and also some worst-color vs average-color visual comparisons to get an idea of how variable charts or at least their measurements can be. Somewhere it says the me4asurements were done of the standard and also the minichart, mixed together, I assume. I don't know if there is a list of the raw data or not.
To understand the source of the variation you really need to see multiple measurements with the same instrument, with different instruments, and of different charts from different manufacturing runs and different ages and measured in different temperatures and humidities, otherwise it's not easy to say whether the variations we're seeing between the CC standard and the CC passport in the article are within the normal variations or not or if they represent a significant difference not explained by normal variations.
Yes, I know the Babelcolor data and I have already included them in the study.
Obviously I do not have the opportunity to have the information to get an overview of the real things, but by analyzing various measurements I saw that Myers had to be the closest to official data of the CC Passport and instead is the more distant. Hence my doubts about the measurement.
Thanks anyway.
Marco

DNG Profile Editor - questions about

0) Thank to Eric Chan for your work on this. Until now I used the Camera Calibration process through Photoshop and Camera Calibration table. But I see this as a big progress.
1) Will it stay only DNG editor or it will be also for raw pictures without a necessity to convert them to dng?
2) Will it be only stand alone aplication or as well a part of the LR?
3) Now I can switched off and on one color change (by the left mark in the Color List Box). Could it be possible to switch off and on the whole Color List Box to see all done changes?
4) I have red your comment that this tool doesn't work with lightness, only hue and saturation. But if I want to work on a specific picture (i.e. a man wearing a red sweater), it will be fine to have it in the brightness close to an end picture. Will it be possible to open a picture not only with WB, but also with exposure, blacks and other basic development setting?
5) Under the eye drop tool, I can see numbers of "initial" or "starting" color. But I can't see the numbers of changed color. It would be fine if I know the new numbers to see how close I am to them. It would be fine if the number over the color List Box will be also for starting color and also for end colors.
And one little proposal: if the color will not change, show in Color List Box only the starting (left) half of a color. Than I can simply see that I didn't set a new color or the color stay exactly the same (it is only a question if exactly the same or very close to the same).
6) It could be, that I will not use the exact color checker table for what you did process on the tab Chart. But many of color checker are delivered with exact numbers and picture on a cd, so it will be fine if I could open this "master" picture of a checker producer in a right panel under the Color List Box and simply take from it the end colors. First go to the main picture on left, choose the "initial color" and then simply go to this "master" picture in right and take the "end color". What do you think about this?
7) If I work on the tab Chart, I get the error window "not neutral gray patches, row 4 culumn 1". But if I move the circle to row 4 culumn 2 it works fine. Is there any difference or problem?
8) And last: how far is acting the shift of color. It will not work only for the one color but close surroundings will be also efeccted. How smal or large is the surroundings? E.g. if we take 360 degres for hue.
Tom

1. For now DNG-only. Here's why:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#PEOnlyDNG
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#WhyNameDNGPE
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#WhyPESeparate
2. Standalone for now. See above links for why.
3. Use the 'Preview Color Changes' option in the Options menu.
4. You can use 'Apply Raw Adjustments' in the Options menu to see your raw adjustments. This is __not__ recommended for building a general-purpose profile because you are then optimizing a profile with specific image adjustments in mind, rather than building a profile based more on the inherent camera characteristics.
5. True, that is a limitation of this implementation.
6. I am not sure what you mean. The Chart Wizard automatically optimizes the color patches in a test shot based on reference values for many physical charts, which is more practically useful than the numbers printed on the reference card that comes with the chart.
7. Make sure you avoid color casts in the bottom row. The PE is picky about making sure your gray patches are relatively neutral. It is an attempt to help you get a better profile.
8. Use 'Show Affected Colors' from the Options menu.
You may wish to read this page carefully and thoroughly:
documentation
It is the reference online documentation for the DNG Profile Editor and a few of the things you wish to do, such as preview all color changes, apply raw adjustments, and visualize the extent of each color adjustment, are all documented there.

Camera Calibration in ACR & DNG Profile Editor

I am having the hardest time figuring out how to use the camera profiles generated with DNG Profile Editor in Camera Raw.
I am using Photoshop CS4 in Windows 7. I have generated the .dcp file with DNG Profile Editor and saved it in the folder: Program Files/Adobe/Photoshop CS4/Presets/Camera Profiles.
This is about as far as I've gotten. I have not been able use this profile in ACR under the Camera Calibration Tab. I have been lead to believe that is would show up automatically. I have not found any video tutorials related to ACR and installing Camera Profiles. They all seem to relate to Lightroom.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you would like to look or copy profiles manually (for example you have received a profile made by someone else; for Windows7 you should be able to see where the Profiles are stored by searching for *.dcp (meaning any file with the extension .dcp)
That will show you where the Adobe supplied profiles are located. You can copy your custom profiles to the sub-folder of your camera type in the Camera folder.The other folder you see is where the Adobe Standard profiles live.
If you cannot see the programdata folder (and that is the case by default) you can make all hidden files visible:
(this from Windows Help, just search for show hidden files)
Computer>Organize>Folder and search options>View. In Advanced settings check the radio button Show hidden files, folders, and drives and then OK
Now you should see the programdata folder visible under your system (C:) folder
I hope that helps.

DNG Profile Editor "base profile" question.

I'm profiling a Canon 5D3 with both the Adobe DNG Profile Editor and the Xrite ColorChecker software. It's been about 3 years since I last profiled a camera, so I'm re-doing the learning curve. My question now is how and why the DNG Profile editor depends on a "base profile?" Specifically, why does the DNG PE Chart Wizard generate different results depending on what base profile is used.
I see in the documentation that "all color adjustments made in the DNG Profile Editor are defined relative to a base profile." I understand that logic when making a custom profile via manual tweaks. You have to have a starting point. But I don't understand that logic when using the Chart Wizard. I expected the Chart Wizard to arrive at the same pre-defined target point regardless of the starting point. It does not seem to do that.
I discovered the difference by using an apparently bad workflow. I shot my colorchecker chart, converted the CR2 to DNG and brought it into Photoshop via ACR to inspect. That stored "Adobe Standard" as the base profile in the DNG.
Then I fed this DNG to the DNG PE Chart Wizard and generated a profile. I opened the image in ACR and applied "My Profile", which became the base profile in the DNG file. I thought I did something wrong, so I ran the same DNG through the Chart Wizard again and generated "My Second Profile." That version looked very strange, so I did it again and made "My Third Profile."
Now I have three profiles. My First Profile was made from Adobe Standard base. My Second Profile was made from My First Profile base. My Third Profile was made from My Second Profile base. Each iteration becomes more strange (bad), so this is clearly not the proper workflow. But what is? What base profile should be selected for Chart Wizard and why does it matter?
Being curious, I did the same exercise using the Xrite ColorChecker software. That software generates the same result, regardless of what base profile is stored in the DNG files. I'm not sure I like the results, but at least they are consistent.

DNG Profile Editor lets you define color edits (in the first tab) using a set of color control points. These control points in turn define a color lookup table used to perform the color correction when processing a (raw) image.
When you use a Base Profile, the resulting color table in the final profile is a combination of the base profile's color table, plus the color table defined by any edits that you've added in the first tab (using the Chart Wizard counts as adding edits to that first tab).
The reason you can get different and less smooth results if you apply the Chart Wizard iteratively is because you are applying lookup table after lookup table. The current color table-building method used by DNG PE has some limitations regarding smoothness of color profiles if two color control points are placed too closely (this can happen with the Chart Wizard, or if you specify two points manually that are close to each other). These problems can become more noticeable if you apply the DNG PE iteratively.

Profile editor and LumixG1

I am runing all my cameras throught the profile editor (1.0.0.39) beta2 as I cannot find a newer version. The three camera I am working with are the Canon 1DS2, Cannon Rebel XS and a lumix G1. The rebel and 1ds2 work fine but when I try to open the G1's dng file (converted from the G1 Raw) the PE tells me its not a valid DNG file. Am I missing someting ? At first I assuemed the camera was too new but the Rebel XS was recognized.........

Try the software that comes with the x-rite ColorChecker Passport and see if it works any better. It performs the same function as the DNG Profile Editor:
http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1257&Action=Support&SoftwareID=917
You will need to "register" with x-rite and login.
Alternatively, you can upload your CC G1 RAW and I'll try it in the DNG Profile Editor and/or the x-rite software.

Creative use of CC calibraton in the DNG Profile Editor

The DNG Profile Editor can be used to create profiles that mimic film looks.
I think right now it is manual trial & error process involving changes in hue, saturation and lightness, but it could be theoretically achieved with Color Checker calibration working in reversed order.
- Photograph the CC using your favorite film
- If B&W, develop in your favorite developer
- Scan the film
- Use the scan in the DNG Profile Editor as target values
The current DNG Profile Editor obviously does not allow that, it would require adding a new tab and clone the CC calibration feature and alter it to use the photographed values as target values as opposed to internal values.
I don't know if it would be worth the effort, but I thing the idea is worth of sharing.
By the way, unless I'm doing something wrong, the saturation slides don't seem to go 0%, so creation of B&W profiles is not possible.

Good idea. Yes, I've posted an example on my Flickr.
I chose a picture with good reds and yellows. There are four images in the set:
1. The original, untouched image. This is using the new Adobe Standard beta profile, brought into Lightroom with all default settings, including linear tone curve, no exposure or color adjustments, white balance "as shot", etc. For reference.
2. The image with my test profile applied, but no further adjustment.
3. My original attempt at the image, using the "old fashioned" pre-DNG-profiles raw processing method, for reference. The yellows are orangeish, which isn't that objectionable but also isn't accurate. The reds are weaker than I would like.
4. The "final" image, with my test profile plus additional tweaks -- white balance, tone curve for contrast, crushing out the blacks a bit more, etc. Two or three minutes of total processing, versus quite a bit more for the previous attempt with no "special" profile. The reds and yellows are perfect.
The Flickr set:
http://flickr.com/photos/100mph/sets/72157606547890574/
This was just a first, pretty quick attempt at playing with the DNG Profile Editor. I'm sure it can be tweaked more and even more can be accomplished.
[Edit: note: I changed the "upload date" on the test images so they wouldn't stay at the top of my Flickr page. Ignore the 2007 date, it doesn't mean anything.]

Camera Profiles and DNG Profile Editor beta 2 now available

Hi everyone,
Beta 2 of the camera profiles and DNG Profile Editor are now available. Please visit here and enjoy:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles
I hope to have more detailed release notes/changes for you soon. You are welcome to ask questions, but please note that it may take a while for me to respond.
Eric

Eric,
I followed very carefully your instructions for installing the new beta2 profiles and deleting the beta1 profiles, but have the same problems as many others. I'd like to provide a bit more information. I'm running Windows Vista Home Premium and have installed Photoshop CS4, updated with ACR5.1 and Lightroom 2.1 final release. As others have described, the default for all of my images was set to one of the Camera profiles (Canon faithful beta1), but now the profile name in Lightroom is blank. I tried looking at the other profiles and it does indeed appear that the beta2 profile is being used, but if I then reset the image it now shows ACR4.4, whereas the image had been imported with the camera profile as default. Also, if I open an image in ACR5.1 that was specified to use the same camera profile, it now shows ACR4.4 and it is not using the beta2 profile of what I had been using, I can see this by selecting the other profiles. Going back to Lightoom, I guess I could select all my images and select the Canon faithful beta2 profile, but then the mark shows up bottom right of the image showing that they have all been edited/modified, is there anyway to get all my images using the profile I was using but the beta2 version, without this happening and how about new imports?
Thanks, David.

Right steps to use DNG Profile Editor and ACR

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