RMAN backup compression and tape hardware compression

Hello,
Should tape backup compression be ON and RMAN compression OFF? What is the correct Oracle answer?
Common knowledge says that if both hardware and software compression were allowed to be enabled at the same time the resulting file in some cases may actually be bigger than the original file. Hardware data compression is done by specialized chips and faster than software compression and increases the tape performance.
I was reading somewhere some time ago that tape hardware will actually not attempt to compress data if the the data being processed cannot be compressed any further. But even if this is a hoax, wouldn't rman compression, at the cost of CPU, save I/O bandwidth?
Thanks.
Edited by: MaC on Dec 19, 2010 4:00 PM

MaC wrote:
I just located Oracle document ID 1018242.1, which outlines:
Use either hardware or software compression, but NOT both. Using both will actually increase the size of the resulting file. The rule of thumb is: compression + compression = no_compression.
Sounds kind a logic.I was actually going to post the same sentence but you did find it on your own :) . Another thing which is worth to mention that from 11.2, the RMAN backup compression is licensed with 4 options, High, Medium and Low . These all three options requires you to have Advanced Compression License to buy. There is another 4th option, Default which is free from license and the compression ratio of that lies in between of Medium and Low.
HTH
Aman....

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