RMAN backup with archivelog (pros/cons)

When performing a "backup database with archivelogs" where does rman store the info contained in the archive logs. If I do a backup like this do I still need to keep the archive logs out on disk? Does this increase time to do backups? I have some production databases that are close to 500gb. Wondering what the pros/cons are doing a backup this way.
Thanks All!

user10784896 wrote:
When performing a "backup database with archivelogs" where does rman store the info contained in the archive logs. The info stored in the archive logs (what you asked about, but probably not what you meant) is stored in the archive logs. The backups of those logs are stored in a backup set. The information about the logs is stored in the control file.
If I do a backup like this do I still need to keep the archive logs out on disk?
You have backed them up, right? Archivelogs are not actively used by the running database, right? If you don't delete them after they are backed up, let me know who you buy your disk storage solutions from, as I'd like to buy stock in that company.
Does this increase time to do backups? Anything you do "increases time to do" vs. not doing something. (The most efficient SELECT statement is the one not executed). The question is does this have a practical, measurable degradation of performance that is intolerable to my organization? The answer undoubtedly "no".
I have some production databases that are close to 500gb. Wondering what the pros/cons are doing a backup this way.
Pros are you can recover your database.
Cons are, you can't recover your database.
And it looks like we need to point out that the housekeeping of your archivelogs can and should be handled by rman, not outside of it. Look at "backup archivelog not backed up n times" and "delete archivelog backed up n times", and other variations of 'backup archivelog' and 'delete archivelog'.
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Thanks All!

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    Hi,
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    It'll certainly do what you need.
    Greets,
    Loïc

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