Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge Upgrade in 2012

PC World reports:
"We also know that Ivy Bridge will be compatible with the LGA 1155 socket--great news for Sandy Bridge owners, who may not need to buy an entirely new motherboard to upgrade."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/246688/processors_what_to_expect_from_cpus_in_2012.html
Does that mean I will be able to put an Ivy Bridge CPU into my W520?
(Ivy Bridge is rumoured to be realeased on on April 8, 2012)
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Samsung Series 9 15-inch NP900X4C-A03US - PCMark7: 4674

ExJamJus wrote:
@JDay,
I am not sure if it applies for laptops but desktop CPU has BIOS whitelist. I came across threads that when customer tries to upgrade the CPU (even in the same series) the BIOS does not recognize the CPU after upgrading due to BIOS whitelist.
Thus I am not surprise if they have BIOS whitelist for CPU on the ThinkPads.
That happens when you try to stick a processor in a motherboard that shipped with a BIOS that was shipped with firmware intended for processors with less cores. Not a whitelist just the firmware freaking out because there were more cores than it was made to handle. This issue was very common when hexa-core Phenom II CPUs came out and could be fixed in all but a few cases (about 1% of motherboard models didn't have an update) by simply putting the old CPU back in and flashing to the newest BIOS firmware revision.
EDIT: If a BIOS update is required you can bet someone over at the MyDigitalLife forums will release a modified one, especially if it is requested. That is the same place you can find a non-whitelisted BIOS for most ThinkPad models.

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Bios update from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge

hello i wish to put a core i7 3632qm in my hp pavilion g6-1262sa but upon doing so the unit will not post so i been doing a bit of digging to find out that i need a new bios to support the core i7 3632qm

Hi,
Your current Intel HM65 chipset motherboard supports maximum upto i7 2620M processor, listed in the manual (Page 23).
Intel's sixth-generation mobile chipsets do not officially support Ivy Bridge processors. Ivy brigde processors need HM7X chipsets generally. In this model, Manual clearly lists the compatible processors. So I can't suggest anything else too.
Manual: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c02968997
Specs: http://support.hp.com/in-en/product/HP-Pavilion-g6-Notebook-PC-series/5145704/model/5205210/document...
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Do iMacs have Ivy Bridge processors?

Trying to find out if the iMacs currently for sale through Apple use Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge processors.

They currently use Sandy Bridge.

Ivy bridge only quad core?

I may be quite possibly switching over from mac to pc this summer and am looking to build a workstation. I'm fairly new to customizing and building and am trying to understand all these differences between xeons, i7's, sandy bridge, sandy bridge-e, ivy bridge, etc.
For a while I was sold on the idea of a dual lower ghz xeon-e5 workstation for my 3d/compositing work, but I still see a lot of people pushing the idea of an overclocked i7 as being an worthy competitor for a lot of the type of work I do.
Anyhow, I've been led to believe that for my applications, which can usually use a lot of multicore multithreaded operations, that more cores are better. I've been looking at an 8-core cpu or possibly dual hex. I've been told to wait for ivy bridge, especially for graphics work and performance, but I notice statements that ivy bridge cpu's have a maximum of 4 cores? How does this leave them stacking up against previous sandy bridge/e 6 and 8 core cpu's?
I'm a little confused about this, why intels next gen microarchitecture would have less cores? Can somebody help clarify this for me?

TDP. Microsoft wants to limit the TDP of their chips (see http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power) and thus has to either limit the clock speed or the number of cores and L3 cache.
You may wonder what all this means and I can understand that. Look at it like a car, where the manufacturer limits fuel consumption to X gallons per mile. He either has to limit the top speed (clock speed) or limit the number of cylinders in the engine block (number of cores). That is what Intel currently does.
For AE and 3D applications, number of cores is critical, for PR clock speed is critical. Since you mention octo-cores, there is only the i5 Xeon with 8 cores. Bulldozer or whatever other AMD 8-cores there are on the market now or in the near future are absolute crap in comparison to Intel.
FYI, I'm waiting for the Ivy E version, 22nm models that lift the 6-core and 15 GB L3 limit of the current SB-E and will give us 8-cores and 20 GB L3 cache. No idea when it will happen however.

Pavilion g6-1262sa CPU upgrade v2, Sandy Bridge = Ivy Bridge?

Hi, thanks to the Pavilion g6-1262sa maintenance and servicing manual and this magnificient forum I've recently found out that replacing my i3-2330m is possible with all sandy bridge processors up to i7-2620m.
Theese questions may sound silly but I continued my research and I've got couple more ideas to confront with reality.
I do realise that compatibility is not only matter of fitting the same socket but also bios installed on certain motherboard, however:
1. Do you think it would be possible to swap Sandy Bridge (2nd gen) i3-2330m for some Ivy Bridge (3rd gen) i5 -3210m?
2. Is the 32nm to 22nm manufacturing technology enough difference on it's own (even if the rest of architecture is the same) to prevent this from working?
3. Is bios of my g6 motherboard somehow identyfying installed processor? (if it's not on "the list" it will simply not run?" or is it only technical compatibility matter?
According to some statements which I found on some IT forums and sites (and some self researched facts):
Socket: both processors are compatible with BGA1023 socket. (at least that's what I found, if someone could confirm I would be grateful)
Architecture difference: "The 3rd generation is called "Ivy Bridge," and is basically a copy of Sandy Bridge manufactured on a smaller scale, or die. However, Intel also focused on beefing up the integrated graphics in this generation."
TDP: both are 35 W
Cores: both are 2 physical (4 Virtual - thanks to hyperthreading I guess?)
Power consumption: "the Ivy Bridge CPUs also use less power", "Ivy Bridge consumes a little less power; around 10w i think."
Temperature: i5 -3210m goes 5*C higher than i3-2330m - shouldn't do much difference
Looking forward to some replies, RacA
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It is not a technical (socket) incompatibility since as you likely know Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge are backward compatible on most desktop motherboards. However, HP has only implemented 2d gen Intel Core processor compatibility on the HM65 Express chipset which yours has. Motherboards that will support 3rd gen CPUs use the HM77 chipset. There is no other motherboard that will fit in your chassis.
Your analysis above, which was pretty good, left out the chipset, which you always have to think about when assessing upgrade possibilities:
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Intel_%28chipsets%29/HM65_Express.html
The HM65 does support a couple 3rd gen CPUs but none of them is on HP's list for your model. You could try one of the ones listed in the link I gave but I think there is a very small chance they will work.
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HP DV7 Sandy Bridge upgrade to Ivy Bridge

I have an HP DV7 6b32us. With the latest bios update, is it possible to upgrade the cpu from the core i7 2670qm to the new Ivy Bridge Core i7 3720QM? The thermals and socket seem to be the same on both cpu's and I am interested in doing this because of the faster graphics on ivy bridge model. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

ExJamJus wrote:
@JDay,
I am not sure if it applies for laptops but desktop CPU has BIOS whitelist. I came across threads that when customer tries to upgrade the CPU (even in the same series) the BIOS does not recognize the CPU after upgrading due to BIOS whitelist.
Thus I am not surprise if they have BIOS whitelist for CPU on the ThinkPads.
That happens when you try to stick a processor in a motherboard that shipped with a BIOS that was shipped with firmware intended for processors with less cores. Not a whitelist just the firmware freaking out because there were more cores than it was made to handle. This issue was very common when hexa-core Phenom II CPUs came out and could be fixed in all but a few cases (about 1% of motherboard models didn't have an update) by simply putting the old CPU back in and flashing to the newest BIOS firmware revision.
EDIT: If a BIOS update is required you can bet someone over at the MyDigitalLife forums will release a modified one, especially if it is requested. That is the same place you can find a non-whitelisted BIOS for most ThinkPad models.

C30 Intel E5-2600 Family Ivy-Bridge Upgrade

I bought a Lenovo C30 109738U in September 2012 with an E5-2620 (Sandy-Bridge) original CPU. At the time of purchase I upgraded the CPU to 2xE5-2620 (Sandy-Bridge).
Because the E5-2620 only runs at 2.0GHz I have been thinking about upgrading the processor for a while. I have decided that 1xE5-2690 is probably my best bet.
I know that my Lenovo C30 Motherboard is C602 Socket-R LGA-2011. I also know that my C30 supports the replacement CPU E5-2690 (Sandy-Bridge) because this replacement CPU has FRU number 03T8369 for the C30.
The thing is that the Intel E5-2690 V2 (Ivy-Bridge) is scheduled for release 2013 Q3 (this quarter), and it is supposed to also fit the LGA-2011 socket. I am not clear on what other compatibility issues there are here, and I would like to know more about this.
What are the full compatibility issues?
Any guess as to when the E5-2690 V2 (Ivy-Bridge) will actually come out?
Please feel free to elaborate if you know something about this issue.
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Hello psturtle:
Glad you are following this.
First I will clearly layout my initial C30 config and upgrade path:
INITIAL CONFIG: Bought C30 1097-38U off shelf from registered Lenovo Dealer (Sept 2012).
Original Specs: C30, 1xE5-2620, 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM, Win7 64 Pro, 500GB 7200 rpm HDD Bay1 (non-raid), Quadro 2000D.
IMMEDIATE UPGRADES (Sept 2012):
1) Increased to 2xE5-2620 with second chip from Intel. C30 standard second chip heat sink from Lenovo was installed. The extra Intel heat sink supplied with second Intel chip was discarded (it was designed for a single chip installation).
2) Increased RAM to 40GB (8+8+8+8+4+4) DDR3 1333MHz channelled symmetrically to each chip.
3) Replaced drive C:\ with Intel 520 480GB SSD. Note AHCI could not be implemented because Win7 Pro 64 had already been re-installed (plus software) when we found out about AHCI (from you). But the SSD on this C30 is working well. We did get AHCI done before re-installing Win7 64 Pro on another machine (Lenovo W530) with an Intel 520 480 GB SSD in January 2013. It is better with AHCI, but I would say not having AHCI is not supercritical. Having the SSD is the main thing. It is worth mentioning that the C30 at only 2.0GHz (E5-2620) performed very poorly with the conventional 500GB 7200 rpm HDD supplied. I have attributed this to the weight of Win7 64 Pro relative to XP 32-bit. However, the 500GB 7200 rpm HDD now resides in Bay2 (non-raid) as drive D:\ and is working well as a storage drive.
4) There have been no further upgrades to my C30, nor have there been any problems.
To answer your next question more clearly, let me explain a bit. I am in Scientific Computation, and 2xE5-2620 has been wonderful for parallel jobs. If the job can be run in parallel, I can beat an i7-3770 by a wide margin. However, if the job needs to be sequential, then the i7-3770 will win by a wide margin.
So I have been thinking for a while that 1xE5-2690 would be a better configuration. My Lenovo Dealer has been slow to move on this, partly because he is worried about CPU heat. However, you appear to have clarified that the standard C30 CPU1 Heatsink will be sufficient for the 135W E5-2690. This is good news. Do you think we should buy a new C30 CPU1 Heatsink(fan) along with a new Intel E5-2690 chip?
I have become aware that the E5-2687W at 150W burns too hot for the C30 and is not supported. Thank you for clarifying this point. We would be happier with the E5-2690 anyway, and many sources say the 2690 is the better chip. So the E5-2687W is off our agenda.
We understand that you cannot really say anything about it right now, but we are in the predicament that the E5-2690 V2 (Ivy-Bridge) is soon to be launched (at last). This is an unusual launch since, according to some sources, Intel intends to make this launch backward compatible. That is, my current C30 motherboard is expected to be able to support the E5-2690 V2. My Lenovo Dealer and I are not sure if we should wait.
In any case, suppose we go with the current 1xE5-2690. As far as the RAM is concerned, we know that it would need to be reconfigured to a single chip setting. However, we would probably also consider replacing the RAM with 4x16GB DDR3 1600MHz since the 2690 supports this and the 2620 does not.
Note, we are fully aware than any double chip installation has to be comprised of two identical chips. We would most likely sell the 2xE5-2620 on the used market along with the old 1333MHz RAM.

Restore Ivy Bridge to Sandy Bridge MSI Z68A-GD55 G3

Hi,
I made the mistake that upgrade my BIOS to Ivy Bridge compatible one and I lost my all OC control over my motherboard. When I tried to back to version 23.7 BIOS that in the link http://msi.com/product/mb/Z68AGD55_G3.html#/?div=BIOS , I get the following error "rom file romid is not compatible with existing bios" with MSI Forum HQ USB Flashing Tool. Please help me, how can i go back to Sandy Bridge bios?

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Upgrade HP p7-1110 to Ivy Bridge CPU (Pentium G2030)

Hello, everyone.
Would someone please tell me if I can replace the CPU of HP P7-1110 with an ivy-bridge Pentium G2030?
The motherboard is known as IPISB-CU (Carmel2).
Thank you for your help.
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MSU1, welcome to the forum.
Here are the processor upgrades supported by the motherboard:
Socket type: LGA 1155
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
Processor TDP
Core i7-2600 (Sandy Bridge) quad core
95W
Core i7-2600s (Sandy Bridge) quad core
65W
Core i5-2500 (Sandy Bridge) quad core
95W
Core i5-2500s (Sandy Bridge) quad core
65W
Core i5-2500t (Sandy Bridge) quad core
45W
Core i5-2400 (Sandy Bridge) quad core
95W
Core i5-2400s (Sandy Bridge) quad core
65W
Core i5-2390t (Sandy Bridge) quad core
35W
Core i5-2300 (Sandy Bridge) quad core
95W
Core i3-2120 (Sandy Bridge) dual core
65W
Core i3-2100 (Sandy Bridge) dual core
65W
Core i3-2100t (Sandy Bridge) dual core
35W
Any of these should work fine with your system. However, if you decide to do further upgrades, it will probably require a power supply unit (PSU) upgrade, as well. The existing PSU is only 250W.
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How do i find out if i have a ivy bridge in my mid 2012 13" macbook pro

how do i find out if i have a ivy bridge in my mid 2012 13" macbook pro?

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I7 3770K Ivy Bridge Vs. i7-3930K Sandy Bridge for Lightroom and Photoshop

Hello, I have learned so much from this forum and have a question for everyone. I am working on a custom computer build but I am not sure about the CPU. I was planning on an i7-3930K (3.2 GHz 12Mb Cache) Sandy Bridge with an ASUS P9X79 but after more research I am also considering an i7-3770K (3.5 GHz 8mb Cache) Ivy Bridge with an undetermined mobo. The 3930 has 6 cores and more cache but is a slower chip compared to the 3770K. I have read some articles that Lightroom prefers a faster chip and that the extra cores may not be of great benefit.
We primarily use Photoshop and Lightroom for image editing and do not do any video editing. We really do more work in Lightroom than Photoshop so designing the system for it would give us the most benefit. Our primary use of photoshop is batching if that helps with our usage of the system.
Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Also feel free to tell me I am over analyzing this and either chip would work great
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan

Jonathan,
For Lightroom and Photoshop the i7-3770K will do fine. It also is much more affordable than a i7-3930K on 2011 platform, but at the same time much more limited for the future, because of the limited PCI-e lanes on the 1155 platform. The Ivy Bridge has another distinct disadvantage, the Intel supplied thermal paste is lousy, so it runs very, very hot.
In another place, http://ppbm7.com/index.php/cooling?showall=&start=4 I said:
Warning: If you are considering a much better affordable system, based on the Ivy Bridge processor, be warned that the cooling paste Intel uses on the Ivy Bridge is no good, especially when overclocking. At stock speed the i7-3770K runs 11 degrees hotter than with Liquid Ultra cooling paste and at 4.6GHz even 20 degrees centigrade. However if you change the cooling paste, you also void the warranty.
To summarize: the 2011 platform has a better perspective for the future but at a price.

Macbook Pro 2012 Ivy Bridge - desired specs??

Mid 2012 is my replacement cycle for my office MBPs - we use the 17 inchers, current model mid 2009.
We'll go with the highest spec, but will need it to be reasonably priced, but need it to do this:
** Run X-Plane 10 on full settings (everything maxed, complex scenery, clouds, weather etc) at 70 fps (frames per second) on built-in monitor**
That's our benchmark need. From that we know everything else will work sweetly.
If the highest spec MBP 2012 17 inch is not going to be the highest possible specs (eg best Ivy Bridge chip possible) then we'd be happy to pay extra to allow that chip to be custom fitted, RAM, whatever - so long as we don't perceive we're being suckered.
Can Apple deliver??

Terms of use of these discussions prohibit speculation on future Apple products. And since this is a user-to-user discussion, nobody here could answer your question, in any event. If you want to provide input to Apple, you can do that at http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Macbook Pro 2012 - Ivy Bridge

Have all the 2012 Macbook Pro's been refreshed with the new Ivy Bridge, or just the retina-display toting units?

All 2012 MB Pro's are using the ivy bridge.
Hence the new 1600MHz RAM required for the new processors.

H8-1260t / IPISB-CH2 (Chicago) - Can HP add support for Ivy Bridge processors?

The latest UEFI BIOS upgrade for this Sandy Bridge H67-based motherboard is 7.12, dated 10/12/2011. The chipset has the capability to run Ivy Bridge CPUs (released Q4 2011) with a BIOS update to the microcode table (add the CPUID table entries for the 306xx CPUs to the 209xx Sandy Bridge CPUs already in the table, that's all!). I have checked the BIOS using AMI's MMtool, and BIOS ver 7.12 only supports Sandy Bridge CPUs. Can customers using the IPISB-CH2 motherboard, like me, get a BIOS update to support IvyBridge CPUs? -imsai8080 ref:http://www.asrock.com/news/events/2012ivy/ Please note that ASRock is the end-user sales department of Pegatron, which made the IPISB-CH2 motherboard for HP.H67DE3 looks very like the "Chicago" board. further ref:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155http://www.techpowerup.com/153756/ivy-bridge-quad-core-to-have-77w-tdp-intel-plans-for-lga1155-ivy-bridge-entry.html

Big_Dave wrote:
Hi, The HP H8-1260t PC was Introduced on 13 January 2012. HP generally will only post BIOS updates when needed within twelve months from the Introduction Date (1/13/2012). Some manufacturers have furnished BIOS updates to support IVY Bridge processors for retail motherboards but has has not posted an IVY Bridge BIOS update for the "Chicago" motherboard.Big_Dave wrote:
Hi, The HP H8-1260t PC was Introduced on 13 January 2012. HP generally will only post BIOS updates when needed within twelve months from the Introduction Date (1/13/2012). Some manufacturers have furnished BIOS updates to support IVY Bridge processors for retail motherboards but has has not posted an IVY Bridge BIOS update for the "Chicago" motherboard.VH2:BIOS 7.12A does NOT support Ivy Bridge. I have examined the microcode and there is no support for it, though there is pleanty of room to add it. The BIOS itself is dated 10/12/2011. Simply download the update, change the file extension to .zip, look in the zip, and you'll see the actual mod date for CHG_712_Signed.rom file is 10/12/2011. All they did was update the sp56123.rtf file on 2/14/2012, and later moved it the newer Support format in 4/21/2013 (no files were changed internally). I don't know why they improperly dated it for 4/13. Hope that answers your question, although not the answer either of us wanted.Just to confirm, that's what I'm currently running on a h8-1260t, and 10/12/2011 is the date embedded in the BIOS as well.Big_Dave:Both of us understand that Pegatron is not a retail supplier, and requests for BIOS updates come from the customer, HP. The Ivy Bridge processors were released April 2012, 4 months after the intro of the Chicago board, and ASRock, the *retail* side of Pegatron, announced that all 2nd gen Sandy Bridge mobos (including the H67 motherboards) would have Ivy Bridge support added. IMHO, HP should have requested a BIOS upgrade for their 2nd gen Sandy Bridge Pegatron-based HP motherboards. Obviously, that didn't happen, since their only update is actually dated 10/2011 (see above).It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for HP to drop an request to Pegatron, a *current* motherboard supplier for HP, to cut an upgrade to support the HP motherboards derived fom the retail motherboards Pegatron already have upgraded circa 3 months after the release of the HP (Pegatron) "Chicago" motherboard, which looks AMAZINGLY like the ASRock (Pegatron retail) H67DE3 with the dual graphics support removed (standard for HP), SATA 4 & 5 moved to board edge, and HP proprietary frontpanel connector added in the original place for the H67DE3 SATA 4 & 5 <grin>. Probably a couple minutes with the right BIOS tools and updated microcode from Intel (which I also have!), to support all Chicago-based systems. I'm hoping that maybe a HP Support rep can chime in on this, or someone can tell me where to find tools to recompile to add the SAFUWIN-compatible checksums to a modded BIOS? -Imsai8080 P.S. If it wasn't for the code checksums and the nonstandard SAFUWIN flash programmer, I would already have added the Ivy Bridge microcode myself. Gave it a try, no go so far, but I might keep trying.

Question about Ivy Bridge and graphics

Does Ivy bridge CPUs provide great graphics performance?
For basic CS6 rendering, iMovie and soft gaming, an Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro / Air with HD4000 could be the right choice?
In other words, is it worth to get a 15" or the retina for these kind of stuff?
In the past, I had to chose between a GMA and a dedicated card which represented a big upgrade. What about now?
One more thing. I guess the MBP 13" would soon have a retina model too. What about the graphics? I read that HD4000 can handle retina resolution... is it really that powerful?
Thank you

For basic CS6 rendering, iMovie and soft gaming, an Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro / Air with HD4000 could be the right choice?
I run WoW on my 2011 "off the shelf" Air - 1.7Ghz 4GB RAM *Intel 3000* - runs very reasonably for a light-medium gamer such as myself. 40-60FPS on "fair" settings.
Intel HD 4000 is reportedly around 60% faster than 3000.
Based on this, if my 2011 Air runs WoW this well, I'd say a 2012 Air/13 Pro with Intel 4000 and (strongly recommended) 8GB RAM would see significantly higher performance.
One more thing. I guess the MBP 13" would soon have a retina model too. What about the graphics? I read that HD4000 can handle retina resolution... is it really that powerful?
If Intel 4000 (and even 3000) can handle a 2560x1600 Thunderbolt display I would have no doubt it would handle a 13" retina display which would probably have a similar sized resolution.
This being said, playing games in retina mode with Intel graphics would probably be a no.

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