SATA + OLD IDE DRIVE=BSOD

I bought a new SATA drive and need to transfer files to it from my old
IDE drive. The IDE drive doesn't have any OS on it, it was previously a
slave drive used to store files.
I hooked up the SATA drive, installed XP, everything works fine. But,
when I hook in the IDE drive--as either a master or slave--the system
loads all the way up till I can see the desktop, and then immediately
crashes with a B.S.O.D.
Before the SATA drive was installed, the IDE drive in question was a
slave drive and worked fine (another IDE drive was the master).
What is causing this problem, and how can I fix it?
MSI PT880 Motherboard
Intel P4 3.2

Also include the powersupply specs including the max amps of the 3.3v 5v and 12v rails. This info can be found on a sticker on the side of the psu.
Good Luck
Jeremy

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