Scheduled multi-patch Bundle - will it work?

A while back we started trying out ZPM for all our patching, soon found that using it for Microsoft patches was a) a nightmare to manage and b) slowed our ZCM database down to a crawl for 8 hours a day while it did something odd with the ZPM log tables. Anyhow I've since deleted all Microsoft patches from Zen and gone over to WSUS for the Microsoft stuff, works a treat so I'm leaving that where it lies.
However we really need to push out some important Flash and Java updates (also found Google Chrome in the list so that would be nice too) and here's how I want to do it...
1) set the updates to install on a timed schedule and only install during this window
2) set a requirement on the patch Bundle to only run if HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon is set to 0 (i.e. the machine isn't in the middle of imaging as ZPM made a mess of things when it cuts in too early)
3) run Flash, Java and Google Chrome patches one by one i.e. the first one completes, next one starts and so on
4) run this Bundle daily so if machines miss it one time they grab it the next, although if the Bundle has already run successfully it doesn't reinstall every time (as that would just be silly)
5) run the updates successfully whether the user has admin rights or not (UAC may be on as ZCM 11.2.3a seems to have problems with Computer GPOs)
I tried doing multiple scheduled Bundles for each product individually which seemed to work, bit of a pain to manage though so I then tried a multiple Bundle. Thus far I've tried it two ways without success:
1) using the Deploy Remediation wizard and setting schedule in there (doesn't seem to run on schedule despite the Agent on a client knowing the Bundle is there and on schedule)
2) use Deploy Remediation to create the individual ZPM Bundles then make a separate Bundle that calls the ZPM ones. Worked on one machine where nothing had previously run but failed on another where the patches had already been applied.
I don't really want to use baselines as they are in 11.2.3a as they don't seem to work that well and don't give me control over when patches are applied. Can't go to 11.3 until summer at the earliest so that's out the equation as well. Any suggestions for how to achieve the above and where I might be going wrong?

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I need to download FF4.0 to get through my corporate firewall. All I can download is FF5.0 which will not work. How can I download FF4.0?

#A link to Firefox 4 versions will not be offered by any '''''responsible''''' contributor here, because Firefox 4 versions contain stability and security issues <u>that will not be corrected</u>. Firefox 4 is a thing of the past.
#The only currently supported versions that a '''''responsible''''' contributor here will offer are Firefox 5 and Firefox 3.6.18. Firefox 3.6.18 is currently scheduled for support for only 2-3 more months, then it, too, will be a thing of the past. Firefox 6 will probably be introduced about the time the Firefox 3.6.18 support is discontinued.
#To downgrade to Firefox 3.6.18, follow these instructions '''''very carefully''''':
#*Back up your personal information (bookmarks, passwords, etc.) before proceeding just in case something goes wrong: https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Backing%20up%20your%20information
#**'''''If you need to''''', see the following article. See the last 2 sections "Copying files between profile folders" and "Your important data and their files" to restore important information '''''if something goes wrong in the downgrade''''': https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Recovering%20important%20data%20from%20an%20old%20profile
#*Download and SAVE Firefox 3.6.18 to your Desktop, then proceed as in the "Clean re-install" article below: https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
#*Clean re-install: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Standard_diagnostic_-_Firefox#Clean_reinstall
#*You may also need to reset your extension databases in your profile folder. Do the procedure after locating your profile folder (see "Back up your personal information" above) and closing Firefox. The files will be automatically re-built when you re-start Firefox: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Unable_to_install_themes_or_extensions_-_Firefox#Corrupt_extension_files

Applyed EHP4 in all system except SolMan,will this work or required in SolM

Hi Experts,
we have upgraded the SP13 to SP18 for ERP and NetWeaver. On to this we have upgraded the EHP4 for ERP and NW in ECC, BI and SRM and Portal system. We have not upgraded the EHPs in Solman System. Now my concern is that is it necessary to upgrade the SOlMan system with the EHP (same as other systems) or not required??
As we are having SLD in solman and lots of other configuration like CUA (Central User Administration). If we will not apply the EHP in solman and apply only in the other system will that work fine??
Thanks
Narpal Singh

Hi,
It is not necessary to upgrade to your solman to EHP1. But it is always recommended to upgrade to latest patch level.
Thanks
Sunny

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