Shooting HD for 4:3 aspect ratio

Shooting a video this weekend for an annual meeting at my work.  This will be an Odd Couple intro take off so I'd like the look to be TV.  To me that means a 4:3 aspect ratio.  This will be shown in a hotel conference room with typical hotel projection equipment.  It's not HD equipment.  Best I'm going to do is HDMI to DVI adapter into the projector.  Is there any way I can shoot in HD and end up with a 4:3 aspect ratio somehow using FCE.  I assume I can't shoot in HD and then mask the whole **** film down to 4:3 without issues.  Or shoot in HD and then use NTSC Basic Fire Wire.  I think FCE would just reject on input.  Typical HD camcorder that records in HD, SD wide and SD "normal" (4:3).  Any and all suggestions are welcome.  Maybe I should just shoot it in SD normal and use that NTSC Basic firewire setting for input and be done with it.  Basic question--where the projection equipment is not HD, to I gain ANYTHING by shooting in HD from an image quality perspective.  If not, then why not use the SD normal setting on the camera and proceed with HTSC basic firewire?
Thanks.

Shoot SD (aka DV standard) and project the same.
Why make this more difficult than it needs to be?
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