Should AEX as WDS "create" or "join" network?

I have just set up a system with my iMac using one Airport Express as a base station and two as remote base stations , following the WDS setup in Airport Setup Utility. This is to extend the range of my network. But when I look in Airport Admin Utility, I see that both remote stations under Airport/Airport Network, Wireless Mode, are listed as "Create a Wireless Network (Home Router)" instead of the other option "Join an Existing Wireless Network (Wireless Client)," which would seem more logical.
I am leaning toward leaving well enough alone, but I am curious about that. Any ideas? Thanks.

Another vote for leaving alone.
Though the language used may not seem logical it is in fact quite logical.
As already stated client mode means that the Airport Express is acting like any other device on the wireless network, connecting to the wireless network just as a device.
In wireless router mode, the Airport Express (AX) is usually getting its internet connection via the ethernet port and creates a wireless network, hence create a wireless network.
In WDS, the AX is in fact acting in a similar manner, it is creating a wireless network, but rather than getting its internet connection via ethernet it is getting it wirelessly.
So it receives its internet connection and then creates a "new" wireless network (as it happens with the same network name and channel as the main WDS base station), but basically a WDS node is in fact creating a new wireless network.
Personally I think though the language used is "logical" it can be confusing.
You don't need to change anything

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Extended vs joined network - which should I use

I have a Time Capsule connected to my iMac and in the living room I have an airport express that I stream music to. Which should I use. Extended or joined netowrk. I find that if it is extended my MacBook Air, iPad and iPhone run a lot slower than if it is a joined network. If it is an extended network all my portable devices are sitting on the Airport Express. If it is a joined network they are sitting on the time capsule where I get the better performance.
In terms of the streaming of my music though it doesn't matter whether it's joined or extended.

I have a Time Capsule connected to my iMac and in the living room I have an airport express that I stream music to. Which should I use. Extended or joined netowrk.
For the purpose of streaming only, you will want to configure the AirPort Express to "join" the wireless network provided by the Time Capsule. The Express will, in turn, perform simply as another wireless client on the network and not introduce the bandwidth overhead of an extended network.
In terms of the streaming of my music though it doesn't matter whether it's joined or extended.
That is correct.

Time Capsule - Create a new network or join existing?

Hello Folks,
So I got my new 2TB Time Capsule and I was reading through the discussion forum on how to set thip up.
I already have wifi in my home and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to connect the TC to the existing wifi network or create a new one?
I have my Wii, a smart TV, a mac, a pc, a printer, 2 iphones and a tablet already using my exisitng wifi connection and it all works very well.
Ideally, I would like TC to use the exisitng wifi, but I did read a few comments that this may not provide the best performance and creating a new network would be a better option.
Appreciate your feedback.
Thanks,
Abzt.

Do not use join wireless network.. that is slow as slow.
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Then you have a number of choices.. you can turn off wireless..
Or run a separate wireless network but nothing actually connects to it.
Or use roaming.. ie use the exact same name as present wireless.. same security same password.. and the TC can reinforce the existing wireless.. the best way to do this is in an area of the house that has poor wireless but you can run ethernet to it.. if it doesn't exist just use a standard ethernet patch lead 3 or 4M long and connect the TC there.

Extending a network - "Join network" or "participate in WDS"?

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Working through the Help files, I decided to try setting it up as a WDS remote.I put all the settings in (including the ID of the base station), and updated the settings. Now the light on the APE is flashing amber, and not showing up in the network, so I guess that's the wrong approach.
Or is it? Which is the best approach for extending a network using a 2nd APE - join existing network, or become a WDS remote station?
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Creating my home network, Apple Airport Extreme & Sky

Hello all,
Hoping somebody can help, I’m attempting to set up a network in my home that works a bit like this.
Ok, we’ve had sky broadband for a few months now and have the new grey Sagem router to go with it. I also have the new Apple Airport Extreme station (and an Oldish BTHomehub v1.5, the white one… just kicking about incase its useful!)
What I want to achieve is use Time Machine on my Macbook Pro to wirelessly backup over the network to a Hard Drive plugged into the AE. I want the AE to be upstairs away from the sky router and I also want to be able to plug Ethernet devices into the AE to use the internet (somehow acquired from the router downstairs I assume) like an Xbox, laptop or anything else I might need really).
*Its important to me that the AE isn’t downstairs in the same room as the router, otherwise I would just connect it with a cable and create a wireless network from that.
On top of that (stay with me….) if the AE has the functionality to extend the wireless network further to hit the low signal spots that would help.
I’ve been reading around the internet and various support sites. I know a little about this stuff but I’m not an expert on networking, I know nothing about the different signals N, g, b etc or how IP assigning works. I read a little about WDS networking but I’m not sure which direction to head.
This is probably the closest thing I’ve found to what I’m talking about, If the bottom hub was the sky router and the top hub was the Apple AE.
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The best way by far is to run ethernet as a kind of backbone between the two stories.. on one storey setup the AE and the other you setup the TC.
I have no idea if one is the main router or not.. or both are bridged.. that doesn't really matter.. the principle is.. one router per network. So whichever is not the main router change to bridge mode.
Both should create a wireless network. You can use roaming setup, where both use identical names and identical security. See http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4260

Help in creating a small network

I just bought a TC and I want to make a small network with two Airport Express boxes that I already had. Right now the TC is connected and working, but I have also connected the two AE but I can not make them show in Airport utility, when
I reset one of the AE it shows in Airport utility but I can not make any changes.
I have TC set to "Create a wireless network", is this correct? I want to extend my network, can someone please guide me step my step, I am illiterate about Networks
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Ok, since you will be using a mix of 802.11n & 802.11g base stations, your only option will be to create a WDS to wirelessly extend the range of your TC.
Here are the basic steps to set it up:
(Note: To facilitate the WDS set up, place the base stations within near proximity of each other during the set up phase, and then relocate them to their desired locations when complete. Also, jot down the AirPort IDs for each of the base stations to be used in the WDS.)
o Perform a "hard" reset on the Time Capsule (TC) and a "factory default" reset on the 802.11b/g AirPort Express Base Stations (AX).
Main Base Station Setup - TC
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the TC.
o Open AirPort Utility.
o Select the TC, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base
Station menu.
o Click Wireless in the toolbar, and then choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and then choose “WDS main” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
o Select the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox if you want client computer to connect to this base station.
o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID of the AX.
o Click Update to send the new settings to the base stations in the WDS.
Remote Base Station Setup - AX #1
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the AX #1.
o Open AirPort Utility.
o Select the AX, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu.
o Click AirPort in the toolbar and click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and choose the same channel as the main base station from the Channel pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and choose “WDS remote” from the pop-up menu.
o Enter the AirPort ID of the main base station in the WDS Main field.
o Click Update to transfer the settings to the base station.
Relay Base Station Setup - AX #2
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar to join the wireless network created by AX #2.
o Open AirPort Utility.
o Select AX #2, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu.
o Click AirPort in the toolbar and click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and choose the same channel as the TC from the Channel pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and choose “WDS relay” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
o Enter the AirPort ID of the TC in the Main AirPort ID field.
o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID of AX #1.
o Click Update to transfer the new WDS settings to the relay and remote base stations.
(ref: Pages 42-46 of "Designing AirPort Networks.)

What's the difference between WDS and Extend Wireless Network?

Hi,
I have a situation where my main computer (Mac Pro) is wired to an Extreme (n), and I have an Express (n) in another room in the house to Bridge to other computers for better wireless reception.
The manuals say I should be connecting the wireless computer via WDS. The way I have it connected right now is as such.
Extreme:
Create a wireless network
Allow this network to be extended is checked
Express:
Extend a wireless network
Allow wireless clients is checked
Is the above method correct, or should I be setting the Extreme and Express via: Participate in a WDS network?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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I am not an expert on wireless networks but here is what they do in a nut shell:
WDS is a network composed by access points that work together to expand your network without the need of "wired" connectivity. so one of the bases will be wired, the rest are not , they just relay info to other computers... good for small to medium size business / homes
EWN is a network composed of wired & wireless networks/access points that work together to expand your network. pretty much you could have 5+ bases plugged in to a LAN / WAN covering different areas of your company / home (long range for medium / big business / Bill Gate's home, etc.).

Time Capsule - Can it run as DHCP router, create a wireless network and plug into switch for wired network all at the same time?

I have a closet with Wired connections from all over the house terminating in it. I also have the internet modem and a switch in this closet. My old setup was a netgear in the closet creating a wireless network and also feeding the Ethernet ports all over the house. In my room, I had an Airport express (a month old) bridging the wifi to make the wifi network larger. The Express was hard wired from the wall and my mac mini was using it's wifi (printer was plugged into other ethernet port). Everything was working great.
Fast forward to last week. My Netgear died. So, I bought a time capsule. My plan was to move the Express to the closet and have it create the wifi network and also then run cat 5 cord from express to the switch to feed all the wired wall plugs. Reset it and set it up to create the wifi network as well as DCHP NAT. Wireless was running great on it. Then I plugged in the Cat 5 in the second Ethernet Port to the switch. Wifi stopped working and none of the computers would connect using wired connections either. They would see a 'network' but nothing would work. I would unplug the Cat 5 feeding the swtich and the wireless would start working again. Plug the Cat 5 back in and wireless would stop.
So I thought I would try the Time Capsule in the closet and see if I could get it to work. Pretty much the same thing, except at this point I figured out if I went in and told it NOT to create a wifi network the wired portion worked fine and all the wired computers in the house worked fine. Of course, then I didn't have Wifi.
I'm not clueless when it comes to networking, but I can NOT figure this out! Can either the Time Capsule or Express Create the wifi network AND also feed the data to the switch for all the wired computers?
To simplify this is what I want my end result to be. I prefer the Time Capsule to be the wireless connection extender, but if I have to have the Express do it, I'm fine with that.
1. Express in the closet creating the wifi network as well as feeding the data to the wired connections via my switch.
2. have the Time capsule in my room at the opposite end of the house plugged into the hard wired connection to extend the wrieless network as well as have wired connections such as my printer and my Mac Mini.
If I can get #1 to work, I don't think I'll have any problems with #2. Help!

I have an equally complex setup with a managed switch actually but I have never seen the TC have this kind of issue.
What I do notice is you have changed the TC from defaults.. you are using a non-default IP range.
I have run across issues like this where people move things from default.
I would like you to start over.. factory reset the TC. That will set it back to default router mode.
Do the min setup on the TC..
1. Change all names from what you were using. That includes the TC name and wireless name/s
Make them short, no spaces and pure alphanumeric because that is the correct way to network. Apple default names with spaces and apostrophes are fundamentally bad.
2. With just the TC plugged into the switch.. and a single computer connected by ethernet. Power cycle the whole network.. this allows the switch to clear all the old MAC address.
3. Test on the computer just ethernet. Turn the wireless off.
The computer must use dhcp and must get an ip from the TC.
It has to get the correct Router.. ie Gateway.. I wish apple could stick with proper network terminology.
And it must get same address or valid DNS server address/es.
If it fails.. please plug ethernet directly to the TC.. bypassing the switch.
You should get the standard IP addressing and internet connection.
If not please post the screenshot from the Mac of the network preferences showing the ethernet setup.
I need to see what address it does get. I need you to make sure the ethernet is the TOP of the list. So rearrange the order of network connection. With the airport off it should just go to the top of the list.
If it appears to be working .. but a browser cannot connect, open a terminal and ping an internet address.
Ping the actual gateway address the ISP gives you and ping the ISP dns address.

Can't create a wireless network without a wireless card on my Mac

Help!
O.k. I tried searching the forums for an answer but the odd nature of my problem, and the immense database of topics made it very difficult to find a similar post.
The general issue/idea:
Run a wireless network using Airport Extreme - Connect desktop mac via ethernet and Roku player via wi-fi. Can't get the desktop mac to connect via ethernet when I restart the network/Airport Extreme.
My Father in law has my old computer; It's a PowerMac G5 (Dual 1.8GHz CPUs) running OS 10.5.8), connected to internet via cable (TimeWarner) modem. It does NOT have an Airport or Airport Extreme card installed. The computer works fine, and I don't believe that I 'need' an Airport Card in order to use the Airport Extreme (it's a brand new/refurbished model) in the manner described below.
I would like to use the Airport Extreme to generate/run a wireless network (Do I need an Airport Card in order to generate/run a wireless network? Doesn't the AE actually do that?), connect the desktop Mac to the network via Ethernet (I shouldn't need an Airport Card to do that, should I?) and connect a 'Roku Player (802.11g capable) to the network via wi-fi.
As far as I know, this should be possible.
Basic steps/as I understand them:
A. Connect ethernet from cable modem to AE.
B. Connect ethernet from AE to desktop Mac.
C. Create the wireless network using desktop Mac and Airport Utility.
D. Restart AE to start the wireless network running.
E. Connect Roku to wireless network over wi-fi.
I have no problems with A & B. Once the AE is connected to the desktop Mac, I'm able to get internet via ethernet as it passes through the AE. I can then create a wireless network (step C.) using the Airport Utility (and setup assistant). The problem starts after I've configured the wireless network.
Once I've configured the wireless network, the Airport Utility software prompts me to restart the AE in order to start the wireless network.
As soon as I restart the AE, my desktop Mac tries to connect to the 'wireless' network, even though it's already connected via ethernet. I don't have a wireless card in the Mac, and I don't want to connect the desktop using wi-fi/wireless. It's connected via ethernet, works fine during configuration, and I don't ever anticipate a desire to connect the desktop via wi-fi.
No matter what I do, I can't get the desktop to connect via ethernet. The only network connection option I'm offered is 'Rescan'. O.k. the desktop can't find the wireless network (because it doesn't have a wireless card), and I'm unable to continue with the Airport Utility. I can't make any further changes to the network (the options to manually change the network configuration are not available as the desktop Mac cannot currently talk to the AE - It's still trying to connect wirelessly), and the desktop has no internet connection as it's trying to connect wirelessly.
*How can I...*
*Setup/run a wireless network, while keeping the desktop Mac connected via ethernet?*
I'm perfectly willing to factory reset the AE and start over.
Any help appreciated.
Thwarted by the network.
- Robert

My Father in law has my old computer; It's a PowerMac G5 (Dual 1.8GHz CPUs) running OS 10.5.8), connected to internet via cable (TimeWarner) modem. It does NOT have an Airport or Airport Extreme card installed. The computer works fine, and I don't believe that I 'need' an Airport Card in order to use the Airport Extreme (it's a brand new/refurbished model) in the manner described below.
That is correct, you could connect the PowerMac G5, via Ethernet, to the AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) or any other wired router for Internet access. You do NOT need an AirPort Card for wired access ... ONLY if you want the G5 to connect to a wireless network.
I would like to use the Airport Extreme to generate/run a wireless network (Do I need an Airport Card in order to generate/run a wireless network? Doesn't the AE actually do that?)
That is correct, the AEBS is a wireless router that can provide a wireless network. The AirPort Card, on the other hand is a wireless adapter used to allow a Mac to connect to a wireless network, created by any wireless router ... not just those provided by Apple.
As far as I know, this should be possible.
Basic steps/as I understand them:
A. Connect ethernet from cable modem to AE.
B. Connect ethernet from AE to desktop Mac.
C. Create the wireless network using desktop Mac and Airport Utility.
D. Restart AE to start the wireless network running.
E. Connect Roku to wireless network over wi-fi.
Yes, these are all good assumptions.
As soon as I restart the AE, my desktop Mac tries to connect to the 'wireless' network, even though it's already connected via ethernet. I don't have a wireless card in the Mac, and I don't want to connect the desktop using wi-fi/wireless.
Do you actually have an AirPort Card installed in the G5 now? If so, then it might be possible that the "firing order" for network connectivity has AirPort at the top of the list under System Preferences > Network. Just change the order to have Ethernet at the top and disable AirPort to ensure that the G5 connects by Ethernet only.

Can't create a new network

Hi,
I installed my airport express software and configured my system to connect via airport to my DSL internet service using DHCP. I'm now connected to the internet wirelessly, but the airport setup assistant won't allow me to create a new network so that I can print wirelessly. It tells me that there's an error with my airport extreme card and that I need to make sure it's installed correctly. What am I missing?
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Do you have another wireless base station? If so, simply configure the AirPort Express (AX) following the directions in KB 302153, AirPort Express: How to join an existing wireless network in client mode.

What should the"default behavior" be for WiFi network connections?

I Have been able to at least temporarily fix the plethora of problems encountered after downloading Mountain Lion to my 2009 17" MBP just ten days ago. Thanks to the time and effort of so many posters that are much more savvy than me, I successfully executed the steps suggested in many of the posts and with good results. It surely beats running down to the Apple store and being told that I am the only one with a problem.
Okay, I've realized that I don't really know what the default behavior of the WiFi network connection should be?
Specifically:
Should the Wi-Fi drop down in Network always be" looking for networks", even though I am obviously on my Network?
Should the Wi-Fi be connected at all times even when your computer is in sleep mode- or deep sleep mode? There have been so many problems with Wi-Fi dropping off,slow or hanging loads, etc.
I unchecked "ask to join networks, in Network preferences thinking it might stop looking for networks when it doesn't need to because I'm already on mine. I do see my neighbors (four neighbors) in the drop down in Network.
How do you get into Time Capsule's settings, to check speeds, especially ping? What should the ideal settings be?
How do you know if your DHCP license is renewed? I've heard that feature isn't working and may be the culprit to some of the Wi-Fi problems.
I'll look forward to your help in understanding more about this. I've been in the support area a lot lately, I've read plenty of definitions, and explanations of the different options to choose from in Apple's support area, but nowhere have I seen anything that explains what the default behavior should be or perform like.
Thanks, as always.

Generally, you don't want to tweak the wifi settings. It pretty much takes care of itself. The caveat to that is, of course, if you're experiencing problems.
The 'looking for networks' behaviour only happens when you log in, wake the mac from sleep OR when you click on the wifi icon. You clicking on it tells the mac "I want to see what networks are available" - so it does a scan for you to check to see if any new networks have appeared since you last clicked on it (or woke/logged in). In short, if you don't want it to look for new networks, don't click on the icon!
Unchecking the 'ask to join networks' option only applies when your mac detects a new network (such as when it wakes) that you haven't already authorised; it'll ask you to confirm whether you want to join it or not. Otherwise, if the network is open it'll join automatically. You should keep this selected if you travel around with your Mac. It's a good idea to know what network you're on before you start plugging in passwords or typing other things into the mac.
There is a utility that you can use for ping and traceroute called 'Network Utility'. Click on the Spotlight icon in the top right of your screen and type "Network' and you should see it at the top of the list. Hit 'return' to open it.
DHCP licences are normally renewed automatically by your router every 24 hours. Again, there's no reason to be messing about with that unless you're experiencing problems.
If you're experiencing wifi dropout, let us know, and we'll make some suggestions, but if you're not, you're best leaving your mac to manage the background processes. It knows what it's doing!
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Can I use my AirPort express to create a wireless network in my uni room?

So, I'm going to university in september and my room has an ethernet port to connect to the internet. If I buy an AirPort express, can I plug it into the ethernet port to create a wirelss network in my room?

The quick answer is yes. However, You should check with the appropriate University authorities to make sure they will allow it (some do not) If they agree, they may offer you a tutorial as to what you need to do to enable it.
Many business people utilize the Airport Express to provide the convenience of Wi fi in their hotel rooms, if the hotel doesn't supply an in house Wi Fi system.

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