Should I use Time Machine or SuperDuper to revert?

Just before "upgrading" to iTunes 11, my iMac was backed up - twice - I have an external hardrive partitioned for use with both Time Machine and SuperDuper.
After fooling around with iTunes 11, I now need to revert to one of my back ups. I believe my options are:
A. Use my Time Machine backup to revert to my system as it was just before the software was updated.
B. Boot from the SuperDuper clone, and reverse clone it, writing the pre-upgrade files over the present system.
Assuming each back up is identical, is there any advantage to using one method over the other?
-gw

I have not upgraded the OS since making my backups. All I've done is:
Ugrade iTunes from 10.7 to 11.something, and,
Totally screwed up my iTunes library.
OK, maybe I'll loose a few emails and text doucments which I can live without.
So, I believe my next step is to boot from the SuperDuper clone, and write the clone to my iMac, using "Erase, then Copy"
BTW, I tried to find a forum devoted to Time machine, but couldn't find one. I just discovered there is a "Time Machine" subcategory under the "Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard" forum. That is where I probably should have posted this question - and if an administrator wants to move it there, that would be fine by me.
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GoonInChief wrote:
My questions:
1. Do I need to format the external drive before doing anything? If so, am I right in thinking that I should do this in Disk Utility > Erase, and choose 'Mac OS X Extended (Journaled)'?
If it's not HFS+, it needs to be formatted to HFS+ (Mac OS Extended - Journaled) via Disk Utility. All data will be lost. See Answer 4.
2. If I do this, do I need to worry about the files that were already on the drive when it arrived from the manufacturer? (I might keep the User Guide pdf, but everything else seems to be .exe files, or files for which there is no default application specified to open them.)
If you want to keep the files, copy it to another location.
3. Do I need to create a partition on the external HD for the contents of the old iBook HD?
If you want to.
4. Will Time Machine work on a partitioned external HD?
Yes, but it needs to be formatted HFS+. If you are creating a separate partition, you use a GUID partition map for an Intel iMac (APM for PPC).
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It's usually best to clean your system up, and deal with any problems before doing major surgery.
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Effie Darrow wrote:
Should I partition an external hard drive and have part of the partition for Time Machine and part for my SuperDuper clone?
imagine that drive croaks. both backups will be lost @ the same time ...
If I do this how much space should I give to each partition (the computer is 250GB and I'm using about 90GB, I mostly deal with documents, photos and music, I don't have movies or many huge files on my computer)
see this read about how much space you should give TM: http://web.me.com/pondini/Time_Machine/1.html.
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see above
and if the Time Machine partition becomes full as I assume it will in a few months if I understand correctly it will just start overwriting older back ups?
deleting them, yes.
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patmc102 wrote:
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Turn Time Machine OFF temporarily in its preference pane. Leave the window open.
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It does not immediately delete the files that are missing.. it merely tries to backup the new files it has discovered on the external drive. Since you moved the files there, the backup at least for a while will contain both copies.. and that is why it doesn't have enough space to backup.
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