Shutdown ASM instance with database up???

While reading through the Apex installation guide I ran across this statement:
If Automatic Storage Management (ASM) is running, shut down all databases that
use ASM except for the database where you will install Oracle Application
Express, and then shut down the ASM instance.
.... uh, leaving the one ASM based database up .. with the ASM instance itself shut down?
Am I mis-reading? Or do I have a fundamental flaw in my understanding of the relationship of the ASM instance with the database instances?

EdStevens wrote:
Included .. but upgrades of Apex?
Ed, upgrading Apex is fairly safe.
However, do not merely rely on a datapump/export of the current Apex schema as backup, prior to installing the upgrade (creating a new schema). Reason: there are objects installed as SYS which will be overwritten by the upgrade, and not exported by the backup. [have an outstanding feature request filed with Apex team to fix this - there are no reasons for using SYS for app objects]
Which is why I prefer a logical backup instead - an Apex export of apps and workspaces. This can be done via the command line. There is a Java program/jar for Apex that supports CLI access to automatically export all apps in all workspaces. I have a cron job that does this every night on all our databases as Apex apps are not made of the type of code one can checkout and edit from a traditional source code repository,
What is not exported, is extra content such as images, custom style sheets and so on (static contents). But is it a better idea to have static contents served by the web server, rather than via a db server session.
Apex is pretty kewl - one of the better web frameworks for Oracle that we've been using since Marvel/HTMLDB days. Some niggles. But overall an excellent product.

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