Slow Motion w/60fps DVCPro50

Hello,
I've just gotten an HVX200 which allows me to shoot 60fps in DVCPro50 at 30pn and I was expecting more from my slow-motion shots. I shot some hummingbirds (as an experiment). . .while I didn't expect to see wings clearly when I slowed it down, I find that even their movement around the feeder is very blurred.
I set the speed to 10% in my timeline and the timeline is set for DVCPro50 720p60 with a framerate of 29.97fps. So far, I've only imported into a timeline, changed the speed and looked at in the canvas. Does anyone know off the top of their heads if I'm doing something wrong, or if it will just look this blurry if I slow it down to 10%? Maybe it will look better when it's transferred to DVD and viewed on a TV screen?
Any help or opinions on this would be appreciated. Thanks,
Lawrence

You gotta use the DVCPRO HD FRAME RATE CONVERTER...in the TOOLS menu. If you don't see it, then look on your installer disk. It is an EXTRA that needs to be installed.
I have a tutorial....
http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/pagewrapper.cgi?forumid=8&page=http://www.creativecow.net/articles/ross_shane/dvprohd/index.html
Shane

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With due respect... this does not answer my question and does not help me that much , but anyway, thank you for the very constructive answer ^^.
I'm not sure I would even have considered doing this by myself...
I hope I do not get this kind of answer because you feel like my question was silly or unpolite... To my mind this was a pretty serious question.
Shooternz, next time you need to go 150 km far away from where you are, go by feet rather than with a car, I'm sure you will have plenty of satisfaction too. Just cross the fingers for you not to be in a hurry while it's raining outside.
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