So, what, I can't charge iPod without a PC - using a wall or car charger?

Hey, hopefully you guys will be more useful than Apple's support line, saying that Apple won't support non-Apple accessories (that is, basically, everything... since Apple didn't even provide a charger with the iPod to begin with). Basically (and even specifically) saying that Apple doesn't recommend using anything but a computer to charge.
That means no charging at work, no charging in the car, no charging whenever it's "convenient"... only charging when iPod is connected to a computer. That's the predicament I'm in now.
If I plug iPod into any device that starts iPod up as a disk device (MSD driver), it'll start charging. If I don't plug it into something that initializes it as a disk (i.e. a 5vdc USB charger), it won't charge. If I plug it into a powered hub without a computer, it doesn't charge. If I plug that same hub into a computer (keep in mind, it's still getting power from the adapter here), guess what? It charges.
What, the crap. Why did Apple do this? Most of the reason I chose to finally buy an iPod (even though I'm plenty happy with my other MP3 players) was because of the plethora of innovative third party add-ons. Now I can't use a charger? What gives?
Or is there really something wrong with my iPod? I've tried several USB chargers that work with my other USB devices (my Pocket PC, my phone, etc), that don't work with iPod. Strangely enough, Google revealed that nobody else seems to be having a similar problem, or if they are, that it's because the USB charger is underpowered (which, while is understandable for my cheesy Chinese USB device chargers, is not the case with the powered hub).
Thoughts?

I didn't even know about a video-out spec change (nor do I use video out, I just got my first iPod!)...
Just, what has me ticked is that I can charge any of my other USB-charging devices like my cell phone and PDA, by just providing +5v to the USB port like a powered hub does without a computer, or a cheap Chinese car adapter does. That's how I modified my cell phone's provider-branded data cable to charge the phone via USB - as it stood, it would only provide data through the cable and drain the battery even though the phone was being provided +5v into its USB circuit. I simply soldered a couple wires ("open source" hardware I call it - the connector simply unscrews and has all its contacts exposed to tweak with!). Easy fix.
But what I find with the iPod is that it's the only device that needs to be "forced" to charge even when it has 5 volts sitting right in front of it. Strangely (and sadly), I did a Google on the iPod dock connector and found on the iPod Linux wiki that there actually needs to be a resistor in place between a couple of USB pins in order to force the iPod into "charging" mode when connected to +5v. So basically, yeah, it will charge, but since my hub isn't an iPod charger, and the cheap chargers I have (that only provide USB 5v) don't have that resistor, I guess it was just ignoring it.
Great job leaving the consumer guessing, Apple. At least now there's a forum post on this (irritating) subject for those of us that don't associate "new device" with "new accessories" but instead find ways to make our old accessories work for the new devices. Guess it's to the soldering iron with me...
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