Soft Proof view mode problem for MOAB Slickrock Metallic Pearl Paper

I use the Soft Proof mode in Lightroom (LR) for editing printed output, and use either custom color profiles that I make (Spyder Print) or profiles supplied by the paper manufacturer.  This feature works very well, much like the Custom View mode in Photoshop (PS).  MOAB/Legion makes a neat paper called Slickrock Mettalic Pearl, that mimics the old Cibachrome prints, and the supply a color profile that works well in PS.  However, when I toggle on the Soft Proof mode using this profile in LR, the image goes completely white, except for deep blacks which show up as bright green.  When I actually make the print from LR, the print comes out okay, but there's no way to know if it's true to the proof view, since the proof view is unusable.
Viewing, editing and printing the same image in Photoshop (PS) 5.1 works fine.  Editing and printing when view mode (Proof Setup > Custom) is to the same profile produces a print that's true to the proof view.   So it seems that the problem is between LR and the .icc file.  Here's the link to the profile file:  Go to MOAB Slickrock Metallic Pearl Epson R2400 EPL.icc.
http://moabpaper.com/icc-profiles-downloads/epson/epson-stylus-photo-r2400/
iMac; OSX 10.7.5
LR 4.2
Photoshop CS5 12.1
Printer:  Epson Stylus Photo R2400 (Photo Black ink)

Looks like a compatibiitly issue with Adobe LR soft proof:
http://moabpaper.com/display/Search?moduleId=3387293&searchQuery=Lightroom+soft+proof
...and PS soft proof:
http://moabpaper.com/moab-support-forum/post/2109935#post2144949

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