Some little problems with XFCE

Now that Gnome2 is gone from the repos and Gnome3 is totally inconfigurable I ended up with switching to XFCE and trying to make it look like my old Gnome2 desktop. This works quite good but there are some little things that were easy to manage with Gnome's configuration tools and are a bit trickier to achieve with XFCE.
1. [Unfixable (patch exists, bug report: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7176)] The workspace switcher applet doesn't allow to switch workspaces with mousescroll though the appropriate option is selected in its settings. I think that this is related to the fact that I'm using Compiz and it has its "viewports" instead of the workspaces since with XFWM everything works properly. Maybe there's a way to make it work with Compiz though?
2. [Solved (controlling gmusicbrowser via dbus: http://gmusicbrowser.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dbus_api)] I'm trying to make the multimedia keys of my keyboard work which itself is not a big deal. But XFCE doesn't offer actions to control the media player like "next track" or "play/pause". I'm using gmusicbrowser and couldn't find out how to call these actions through the shell so I don't know what command to assign to the media keys.
3. [Unfixable (workaround: Guifications, bug report: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7591 )] The nice notification bubbles have "Show" buttons in Pidgin's libnotify notifications but they don't do anything when clicked: neither open a new chat window nor focus to an already opened one. Might be a Compiz effect again, but seems to happen with XFWM, too.
4. [Unsolved] I can't find the xfapplet-plugin neither in the repos nor in the AUR. Has it been removed together with all the other Gnome2 stuff because of depending on gnome-panel? If so, how realistic would it be to maintain appropriate AUR packages?
5.[Solved (by activating the "Prompt on logout" option and a launcher for xfce4-session-logout)] I thought, I would have solved this problem but now it appears again: I'm unable to deactivate XFCE's session saving. I disabled all checkboxes in the first session settings tab and manually edited /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml and its equivalent in ~/.config to look like
<property name="general" type="empty">
<property name="FailsafeSessionName" type="string" value="Failsafe"/>
<property name="SaveOnExit" type="bool" value="false"/>
<property name="AutoSave" type="bool" value="false"/>
</property>
and then removed the cached sessions from ~/.cache/sessions while no session was running. After the next boot everything was ok (apperently because of removing the cached sessions), but the boot after this one was wrong again (last session saved). Is there any success story concerning deactivating the session saving?
Thanks,
PhotonX
Last edited by PhotonX (2011-05-10 16:20:04)

linuxfool76: I think, quite many Gnome2 users would be interested (I am interested at least), but unfortunately I don't have any further details either... If I remember correctly there is a thread here on the forums where some user had the idea to make a repo for the whole Gnome2 - but then gave up since this would be unmaintainable. Don't know whether the chances are better for some single GTK2 apps. At least I've found file-roller2 on the AUR but who knows how long it will rest there...
R00KIE: Yeah, that's a Compiz issue, see the bugreport in post #4.
onexused: Thanks for the hint! Unfortunately the gnome-deps, gnome-panel and gnome-panel-bonobo are already gone from this repo, but it's a start though.
alez: Nice idea, I used them on Windows years ago and totally forgot about their existance. Will try.
edit: I made some digging (see http://archlinuxppc.org/packages/extra/ … l-bonobo/) and created a dependency list for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin:
--xfce4-xfapplet-plugin--
gnome-panel=2.32.1
gnome-panel-bonobo 2.32.1
--gnome-panel-bonobo--
libgnome>=2.32.0
libbonoboui>=2.24.3
--gnome-panel--
evolution-data-server>=2.32.1
gnome-desktop>=2.32.1
gnome-menus>=2.30.5
hicolor-icon-theme
libcanberra>=0.25
librsvg>=2.32.1
libwnck>=2.30.6
--evolution-data-server--
db>=5.1
heimdal>=1.3.2
libgdata>=0.6.5
libgnome-keyring>=2.32.0
libgweather>=2.30.3
libical>=0.44
libsoup>=2.32.0
nss>=3.12.8
--libgweather--
gconf>=2.31.91
gnome-icon-theme
libsoup-gnome>=2.31.92
--libgdata--
libsoup-gnome>=2.32.0
--gnome-desktop--
gconf>=2.32.0
startup-notification>=0.10
--gnome-menus--
pygtk>=2.22.0
--pygtk--
libglade
pygobject
python2-cairo
--pygobject--
glib2
gobject-introspection
pygobject-devel
python2
python2-cairo
--libbonoboui--
libgnome>=2.32.0
libgnomecanvas>=2.30.2
--libgnome--
gconf>=2.32.0
gnome-vfs>=2.24.3
gvfs>=1.6.6
libbonobo>=2.32.0
libcanberra>=0.25
libgnome-data=2.32.0
--libgnome-data--
gconf
--gconf--
dbus-glib>=0.86
gtk2>=2.22.0
libldap>=2.4.23
libxml2>=2.7.7
orbit2>=2.14.18
polkit>=0.98
--gnome-vfs--
avahi>=0.6.27
bzip2
fam
gconf>=2.32.0
gnome-mime-data>=2.18.0-2
gnutls>=2.8.6
hal>=0.5.13
heimdal>=1.3.3
smbclient>=3.5.5
--gnome-mime-data--
shared-mime-info
--gvfs--
fuse>=2.8.4
gnome-disk-utility>=2.32.0
libarchive>=2.8.4
libcdio>=0.82
libsoup-gnome>=2.32.0
--gnome-disk-utility--
avahi
dbus-glib>=0.86
hicolor-icon-theme
libgnome-keyring>=2.31.92
libnotify>=0.4.5
libunique>=1.1.6
udisks>=1.0.1
--libsoup-gnome--
gconf>=2.32.0
libgnome-keyring>=2.32.0
libproxy>=0.4.6
libsoup=2.32.2
--libgnome-keyring--
dbus-core>=1.4.0
glib2>=2.26.0
libgcrypt>=1.4.6
--libsoup--
glib2>=2.26.1
gnutls>=2.8.6
libxml2>=2.7.8
--libgnomecanvas--
libart-lgpl>=2.3.21
libglade>=2.6.4
--libart-lgpl--
glibc
--libglade--
gtk2>=2.16.0
libxml2>=2.7.3
--gtk2--
atk
cairo
gnutls
gtk-update-icon-cache
heimdal
libcups
libxcomposite
libxcursor
libxdamage
libxi
libxinerama
libxrandr
pango
shared-mime-info
--gtk-update-icon-cache--
gdk-pixbuf2
Some of the packages are still in the official repos, so it's bigger than it could. Also maybe one could compile some things with less deps (like remove the evolution thing from the gnome-panel deps). But still looks like much bloat for a single package. What do you think?
Last edited by PhotonX (2011-05-09 06:39:17)

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The original monitor profile that came with my MacBook Pro (profiled by someone over at Apple generically for all MacBook Pro LCDs, I guess) really seems to have underestimated the gamut of my monitor. Hence, color-managed applications compensated for this be resaturating my images (especially in the oranges/reds) before outputting to monitor. Therefore, images looked really nice and saturated in color-managed applications; however, when I exported them to sRGB JPEGs and then uploaded to the web, they looked desaturated (in Firefox, NOT in Safari, since Safari is color managed). They even looked desaturated on other people's monitors (these 'other people' were your average Joes...).
I then profiled my monitor using an i1 colorimeter. A 3-D plot of my monitor profile now showed that it actually had a much larger gamut than what Apple had predicted in their profile (but this gamut was still much smaller than sRGB, or the gamut of my Dell LCD or Sony CRT, etc.). Therefore, now, LR and PS, using this new profile, showed images much less saturated. Now when I made my edits, and then exported to sRGB JPEGs, images looked slightly *more* saturated in non-color-managed applications and on other people's computers.
So, you see, your monitor profile affects how you make adjustments/edits in color-managed programs. If your hardware profiler profiled your monitor incorrectly (which I assume is the problem here), then you may be over-saturating certain colors within LR, skewing those RGB values so that a non-color-managed program, which will not re-correct these values as LR is doing, will display the image with too much, say, red.
Bad monitor profiling also explains why you see this problem only on certain images/colors... if it were a LR problem, you'd most likely see it on every export. The color variance is more than likely due to a bad monitor profile that is not accurately describing your monitor's native response... hence LR/PS are incorrectly adjusting your images before sending to the monitor.
And at this point, please don't resort to saying "but the colors in the web browser look 'right' and LR looks 'wrong'". This statement has no meaning, as what looks 'right' to you in your web browser might look horrible to someone else with a different monitor. The point of color-management is to minimize these differences. For example, I was very unhappy by how desaturated my images looked on the web compared to in PS before I calibrated my monitor. Now, images look slightly *more* saturated on the web than in LR/PS, which I'm OK with. *Should* they look the same? Heck no. Similar? Yes. Is it better if they do look the same after hardware profiling? Yes, if your main goal is web export, but, keep in mind, the only way they *would* look the same after PROPER hardware profiling would be if your monitor happened to have a very sRGB-like response (to explain this would take another few paragraphs... but you should be able to figure it out if you ponder a bit).
I hope this is making sense. Let me ask you a couple questions now:
1.) For your headshot image, IMG_8860, which colors look 'right' to you -- the colors in LR, or the colors upon export (i.e. the headshot on the left or the right in your link above)?
2.) How exactly did your profile your monitor? Was it in the dark? I had quite a bit of variance in my monitor profile depending on whether or not the Mac OS X dock was visible at the bottom of the screen -- the light from the dock leaked into the colorimeter which then led to profiles that generated yellow/green color casts.
-Rishi

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