Stacks disappear if pick is rejected

I just found out that if you give the current pick in a stack a rating of reject and then click outside of the stack then it vanishes.
The only way I could get the stack back or see any of the images in the stack again was by using undo to remove the rating of reject.
Just a heads up for people to be careful about this.
While I'm here, does anyone know a way or rating the current pick, when you are in stack viewing mode? Even if I use the contextual menu it rates the image in the stack I am comparing it to and not the pick which I had clicked on.

I've noticed this too. You can see the rejects by clicking on the search box and sliding the stars slider to the left. It only disappears, though, after you've clicked off the stack.
The only way that I could mark the pick as reject in stack mode was by promoting a rejected image. If it's already the pick, demote it, reject it, and promote it again. Actually isn't so bad once you get the hang of the key commands.
One other trick for those with two monitors. I wanted to be able to view both the pick and the other stack image two up in the second monitor. I finally found that choosing the "Project Management" layout button at the top will put the viewer fully on the second screen.

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