Stopping Customised White Balance defaulting when in RAW format

My preferred medium for photography is underwater, so it is crucial the white balance is set to the area and depth of the shot. When I use Photoshop CS3 to develop the shot in RAW, as soon as I click on to the shot in bridge it instantly reverts back to the default white balance, In UK fresh waters this usually means a strong green cast. Can anyone tell me how to stop this?

Hi Brett
Thanks I have now found the ACR within the Camera Calibration TAB, However, there does not seem to be enough adjustment to create the original shot. Also at depth I need to reset the white balance every few meters, so with 20 saved shots I can have say 6 different calibrations so it is pointless generating presets.
I propably should not say this but Capture One 4 recognises the shot the way I took it instantly,which then allows me to edit the original. The frustration is I do prefer Photoshop.

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White balance shifting when importing raw files

When I import my raw files from my 5D mark 2 my white balance is set to 5200K, when in Lightroom it shifts to 4850K? Any body know why?

If there are no import presets being applied from the import pane, there's one other way this could be happening. If you're taking advantage of the ability to adjust LR's default import presets (NOT the same as what user web-weaver is talking about which is configured through the import panel) and you accidentally captured a setting other than "as shot" while making the changes, then this is likely your culprite.
This feature is fantastic for automatically applying ISO-specific NR to each file on import, but it can also catch other settings you may not have intended while configuring it. Go back to the files you originally used to set the defaults for each individual ISO, reset the WB to "as shot," and set defaults again. The menu option for this only appears in the develop module. Menu: Develop -> Set Default Settings...
You can also choose to wipe out all previously configured defaults by going to your preferences window, then Presets tab. Look for the "Reset all default Develop settings" button.
Hope this helps you or anyone else who comes along.

Aperture white balance default

I'm new to Aperture
The Aperture white balance default is 6826 (tint 13).
I set my camera wb to Flash.
How can I change the Aperture default WB to Flash?
In my meta data all my images have a wb=Flash. Should Aperture read the metadata to set the WB?
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Hello Tony,
welcome to the Aperture Forum of the Apple Support Communities. Can you explain a little bit more, which default setting you are talking about?
At first I thought you were talking about the default setting for the White Balance adjustment in the adjustment panel of the Library inspector. But that one is set to a color temperature of 5000K (Horizon daylight), a suitable preset for landscape photography - at least, that setting is what I see in my Aperture version.
The number you quote "6826 K" is in the range of the color temperature of a LCD or CRT screen, suitable for the display of digital images on a screen. Where did you find that setting?
If you want to adjust any image to the setting the white balance your camera was set to, then you need to define a preset for the White Balance adjustment in the adjustment panel of the Library Inspector. Set this to the color temperature of your flashlight - it should be somewhere in the range of 5,500–6,000 K. Do you know the exact color temperature for the flash setting of your camera?
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Bridge CS5 applies wrong white balance during thumbnail extraction (raw files only)

Hello to all Adobe Wizards,
Hobbiest photographer here. I use a Canon T2i and I have been shooting raw with auto white balance.
After I upload the CR2 files to Bridge, Bridge begins thumbnail extraction. This is when the problem begins: I watch Bridge extracting thumbnail photo after photo, turning them into wrong white balance one by one. After Bridge is done, I open one of these photos in Camera Raw, it shows the photo in "custom white balance". I was able to change it back to "As Shot". But every photo in Bridge now has custom white balance and is difficult to view in Bridge. This screenshot shows what my Bridge looks like after thumbnail extraction....
Yesterday, just out of curiosity, I took some photos with different white balance settings on the camera. I uploaded them to Bridge and Bridge over-wrote all the white balance settings. I then imported the same photos (from the same files) to iPhoto, they show up with correct write balance. Please see the second screenshot.
The third screenshot shows a unedited photo I opened from Bridge to Camera Raw, and the same photo as it appears in iPhoto, both unedited.
Again, this only happens to CR2 files. All tif, jpeg files are fine.
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Thanks!
-Wolfie

Any ideas?
First of all, shooting Raw has the benefit of changing the color temperature (Whit Balance) to what ever you like from whatever you shot in camera.
To me it seems you once have saved a custom white balance as default setting and this is been applied to every new file because you told Bridge to do so. The easiest way to get out of this is open a raw file in ACR and in the basic tab at the right side you see a small icon for sub menu (next to the word basic). Click on it and from the row choose 'Reset Camera Raw defaults' at the bottom.
Also decide whether you want to stay in 16 bit mode (as you are now as shown in the blue line under the preview). If you want to chance it back to 8 bit just click on that blue line and choose your options from that menu. You only have to do this once for the files from that same camera, ACR remembers the settings for you.
Using 16 bit mode has advantages when using critical color corrections (but then you also should change the color mode to ProPhoto in my opinion). The disadvantage is that 16 bit doubles the file size compared to 8 bit
Having set the ACR defaults should effect your thumbs immediately by building new thumbs and previews but if not you must choose purge cache for folder from the menu tools / cache/ purge cache for folder. Now the new settings will be applied.
It may take some time so let Bridge do its work properly before starting other jobs in Bridge (see the activity bar bottom left to check if Bridge is still caching).

Bug Fix for White Balance Issue (When ?)

Dear Apple:
When can users expect a patch for the bug that "crept" into Aperture late in the development cycle that seriously effects the white balance tool?
This bug is obviously a major concern and issue for most professional-level photographers; and, quite frankly, prevents Aperture from being used in a professional capacity with regard to RAW decoding.
Cheers

Excuse me, John:
But, quite frankly I don't think you are in any position to tell the users of this form how they should feel. Most users, who happen to be high-end prosumers or professionals such as myself, have paid a great deal of money on a piece of software that was supposed to live up to certain, basic expectations. Unfortunately, that software did not. As such it cannot be used in a professional environment.
Subsequently, an update was provided to address all the concerns that users expressed. Unfortunately, that update created a major issue with regard to the white balance of RAW images. Yet again, this expensive piece of software is nearly useless in a professional environment.
Let me ask you this: "if you were a gardner and paid several hundred dollars for a lawn mower, only to discover that it cut your clients' grass unevenly, would you continue to use it? Would you continue to be patient after taking it into the repair shop only to have it still screw up your lawns? Would you not be on the phone with the repair shop constantly until it was fixed?"
Unfortunately, Aperture is a good idea that has a flawed implementation and that NEEDS to be addressed! So, I will continue to ask Joe and Steve and the others at Apple when will this piece of software actually live up to the expectations set forth by the company that produced it!

White balance needs adjustment in RAW

I have a Canon 60D and shoot with AWB almost 100% of the time. I don't trust my self to switch between settings when moving from sun to shade to inside. On a recent trip I shot in RAW format for the first time. I was very happy with the results AFTER I changed the white balance from "As Shot" to "Daylight" for nearly every outdoor shot. (Using Camera Raw 8.5) The results this way are better than any adjustment I get to the JPG. Does this sound like a camera problem, PE problem, or just the way it is?

fishcad a écrit:
Thanks. It's not a huge problem but it would be nice if PS Elements allowed batch operations since I do this to so many photos. Just had some indoor photos from a wrestling tourney where changing the WB in Camera Raw from "As shot" to "Auto" made a big improvement to skin tones.
To keep the same settings for different pictures in ACR:
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- open several images in ACR at the same time and apply the same choice.

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I always shoot in RAW + jpeg format. Many times the jpeg will work fine and I still have the RAW if I want to take the time to tweak things a bit more.
But sometimes the jpeg stumbles on a white balance that works well for a particular image. If I want to apply that same balance to the RAW version, I would like to be able to read what that color balance setting (in K degrees I assume) is so I can copy it.
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OK, progress!
I found out from Iliah Borg on the dpreview.com forum that the utility ExifTool (or its GUI version pyExifToolGUI) will provide the R, B, G1 and G2 values for the white balance setting. They are provided as multipliers or absolute vaules. Example:
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I'm finding, with the mixture of lighting situations I find at weddings (evening venues especially) that 2000K sometimes is not enough for me to get a correct white balance. I'm having to apply a filter on top to get a true white balance.
Is there any reason why 2000K is the current limit? If not, could you expand it past 2000K?
Thank-you!

Try http://robertreiser.photography/articles/proper-infrared-white-balance-in-lightroom/

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such as your platform (Mac or Win),
exact versions of your OS, of Photoshop (not just "CS6", but something like CS6v.13.0.6) and of Bridge,
your settings in Photoshop > Preference > Performance
the type of file you were working on,
machine specs, such as total installed RAM, scratch file HDs, total available HD space, video card specs, including total VRAM installed,
what troubleshooting steps you have taken so far,
what error message(s) you receive,
if having issues opening raw files also the exact camera make and model that generated them,
if you're having printing issues, indicate the exact make and model of your printer, paper size, image dimensions in pixels (so many pixels wide by so many pixels high). if going through a RIP, specify that too.
etc.,
someone may be able to help you (not necessarily this poster, who is not a Windows user).
a screen shot of your settings or of the image could be very helpful too.
Please read this FAQ for advice on how to ask your questions correctly for quicker and better answers:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/419981?tstart=0
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Setting White Balance in Camera RAW

I have heard and read (what apppears to be) contrary information about using the White Balance Tool in Camera RAW.
I have sometimes heard that I need to select a naturally white point (as opposed to a specular / highlight point); but I have also heard that I need to select a neutral gray point.
I am wondering if it's either / or and that it all amounts to the same thing.
Can anyone assist and explain the differences?

You can use any area that has no colour contend regardless of its tonal value. For instance you can use full black to se WB. Note this is not the same as setting black and white points in ACR

After adjusting white balance in ACR, images are opening in Ps at a different size.

Can anyone explain like I'm 5 why this is happening, and how to prevent it? Thanks!
Negatives are scanned at 3200dpi, and 24bit depth. This is the metadata from Bridge.
Default settings in Camera Raw
After opening in Photoshop.

Scanned direclty into photoshop. And if I open the tif from explorer or bridge, bypassing Camera Raw, it opens as the 75mb file size. I thought it might have somethign to do with the color, as Bridge labels bits/channel as 'Bit depth', but the images all are 24bit, even after White Balance correction in Camera Raw.
Thanks for taking the time to help me figure this out. It's been causing a huge problem this week.

Working Without White Balance

Camera: Nikon D90
Adobe CS5 Design Suite
My goal is to work in Photoshop and Camera Raw without using White Balance.
As I understand, the camera stores within the raw NEF file what was seen by the camera chip without correction. For example, if the camera chip sees say 10,000 red photons, this is stored as say 200. If the camera chip sees 20,000 red photons, this is stored as 400. Hence, it is linear. Of course, the actual storage is as a Bayer array.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-sensors.htm
In theory, from the raw NEF file, one should be able to reconstruct the image that fell upon the camera chip.
On the camera itself, there are many camera White Balance settings. However, it lacks a "None" i.e. "As Is" setting meaning do not assume anything about the light source and make no correctons. Just record the photon levels and give me back the same image that was focused on the camera chip.
As an experiment, I shot a daylight scene using 2,500K (obviously, an extreme value) for the white balance. When I look at the raw file in Camera Raw, the "As Shot" shows a heavy blue tint. Hence, Camera Raw was using the 2,500K white balance selecting of the Nikon for the "As Shot" setting in Camera Raw. Looking at the Camera Raw basic panel White Balance drop down items, there is no "None". Hence, Camera Raw always assumes there is a White Balance and makes corrections.
Why would I want to do this? For example, I have multiple varied color light sources. I want to see exactly the image my eye sees. I do not want the camera making corrections since there is not a single light source for it to make assumptions about how to correct.
Is there a way in Photoshop or Camera Raw to show me the image without any white balance correction. Thanks in advance.

Petrula wrote:
Camera: Nikon D90
Adobe CS5 Design Suite
My goal is to work in Photoshop and Camera Raw without using White Balance.
As I understand, the camera stores within the raw NEF file what was seen by the camera chip without correction. For example, if the camera chip sees say 10,000 red photons, this is stored as say 200. If the camera chip sees 20,000 red photons, this is stored as 400. Hence, it is linear. Of course, the actual storage is as a Bayer array. In theory, from the raw NEF file, one should be able to reconstruct the image that fell upon the camera chip.
On the camera itself, there are many camera White Balance settings. However, it lacks a "None" i.e. "As Is" setting meaning do not assume anything about the light source and make no correctons. Just record the photon levels and give me back the same image that was focused on the camera chip.
The sensor is linear, but the sensitivities of the red, green and blue channels differ, so one must take these differing sensitivities into account when rendering the image from the raw data. As demonstrated by others, channel multipliers of unity (UniWB) do not yield the intended result. To obtain your intended result, empirically determined multipliers would be necessary. When used for white balance, these multipliers are chosen to that a white target will have equal RGB values in the rendered image. For your purpose, multipliers would need to be chosen so that the white target would assume the color of the incident light. In other words, if the white target were illuminated with reddish light, the image would be reddish and not white.
Why would I want to do this? For example, I have multiple varied color light sources. I want to see exactly the image my eye sees. I do not want the camera making corrections since there is not a single light source for it to make assumptions about how to correct.
Is there a way in Photoshop or Camera Raw to show me the image without any white balance correction. Thanks in advance.
On the camera itself, there are many camera White Balance settings. However, it lacks a "None" i.e. "As Is" setting meaning do not assume anything about the light source and make no correctons. Just record the photon levels and give me back the same image that was focused on the camera chip.
As an experiment, I shot a daylight scene using 2,500K (obviously, an extreme value) for the white balance. When I look at the raw file in Camera Raw, the "As Shot" shows a heavy blue tint. Hence, Camera Raw was using the 2,500K white balance selecting of the Nikon for the "As Shot" setting in Camera Raw. Looking at the Camera Raw basic panel White Balance drop down items, there is no "None". Hence, Camera Raw always assumes there is a White Balance and makes corrections.
Why would I want to do this? For example, I have multiple varied color light sources. I want to see exactly the image my eye sees. I do not want the camera making corrections since there is not a single light source for it to make assumptions about how to correct.
Is there a way in Photoshop or Camera Raw to show me the image without any white balance correction. Thanks in advance.
I infer that you want the captured image to reflect the spectra of the actual scene luminances (or more likely a metameric tristimulus match) rather than how you perceive them. The human visual apparatus exhibits chromatic adaption, whereas the sensor does not. The CIE xyz model assumes complete chromatic adaption and the color models based on CIE models need a white point to operate, so you are attempting to use ACR in a manner other than for which it was intended. There is an interesting exercise on the Stanford web site that shows how one can use a digital camera (the Nikon D70) in conjunction with a spectrophotometer to obtain spectrophotometric data from the camera. To recreate the actual spectra, two additional colored filters are required, but if one merely needs a metameric tristimulus match, perhaps only the three native CFA filters of the camera would be needed.
http://scien.stanford.edu/pages/labsite/2006/psych221/projects/06/clintonk/index.htm
Going back to ACR, experience indicates that if one wants to recreate the appearance of a colorful sunset or a candlelit scene (cases that exceed the limits of chromatic adaption), a daylight color balance works best. It would seem intuitively that an equal energy illuminant (CIE Illuminant E) would be appropriate. This corresponds to a correlated color temperature of approximately 5455K.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_illuminant

Problem transferring white balance Exif info from iPhoto to Aperture

I originally posted this question on the Aperture discussions page, but it was suggested to me that maybe I should try asking it on the iPhoto page as well.
I want to transfer my iPhoto library over to Aperture, but am reluctant to do so until I have familiarised myself with the new program. (I have over 23,000 photos in iPhoto.)
As a start, I have imported a few of my recent photos from iPhoto so that I can find my way around Aperture. One thing puzzles me. I can see the white balance information for each photo in iPhoto but the white balance field is greyed out in the Aperture metadata, and there is no 'cloud' or 'sun' picture at the top right of the Info panel, even though the white balance field is ticked in the Metadata Fields panels for Exif Info and Camera Info. I really need to know which camera setting I used for each photo to help me learn how to take better photos, but as far as I can see the information is not available to me anywhere in Aperture.
I have performed Aperture Library First Aid (repaired permissions and database, and rebuilt database) but the problem still exists. At the suggestion of someone on the Aperture page I have also created a new Aperture library and then imported some original photos from iPhoto which I exported to the desktop and then into the new Aperture library. I had the same problem, with no white balance information showing. That's when I was advised to try the iPhoto discussions page as well!
Does anyone have any ideas for me please?

Well, Terence, it duly showed up the white balance data when I shot a Raw photo. But I don't understand why Aperture recognises white balance for Raw but won't show it for Jpegs, whereas iPhoto recognises both.

White Balance Presets: What am I MISSING?

Perhaps like me, you spend a lot of time tweaking pictures for your family.
One of the quickest ways to do this, besides cropping, is to properly set the white balance.
When working with RAW files there are 7 or 8 presets (such as tungsten, cloudy, etc), but when working with JPEG there are only three (as shot, auto, custom).
Now, when working in RAW, I am working with my professional images and I am unlikely to be using ANY presets. Will happily spend a lot of time searching for that perfect neutral grey.
However, when working with JPEGs, I am generally trying to put together a vacation slide slow, or tweaking my sister's new house pictures, or throwing together a talk - where the content is more important than the images. In short, am trying to work QUICKLY with acceptable, but not optimal, results. I would GLADLY use presets ... but they are not there.
Why are they present in, what to me, seems the situation in which they are least likely to be used, and absent when they would be of the most value?
I mean really, are you going to shoot in RAW and then click 'AUTO' anything??

I suppose this is right, that setting the WB in camera may result in some data being discarded? I understand that RAW, as indicated by its name, is simply a raw dataset of what the sensors recorded: it has no WP, exposure, or anything else.
Thinking about it in response to the comments, i realize that i'm not really sure what setting the WB does - beyond telling the camera what SHOULD be white, given X as the light-source.
I do intuit what it does, and which way to shift the color temperature to achieve my goal, but i really do not know what setting the WB does to the data as a whole, and if, as commenters have implied, some of it is lost by picking a WP.
Wikipedia explains that WB is "...ideally described as a spectral power distribution, that is, by giving the amount of power per unit wavelength at each wavelength of the visible spectrum." In a sense this helps me to understand.
So i guess that I can imagine setting the WB as shifting the spectral power distribution about a given point.
But, all the above being true, given that the LR-JPEG 'auto' can often come fairly close to fixing the color balance, I still find myself wondering why there would not be presets for other color temperature/frequency spectrums which would be able to come even closer, and which could be available on JPEG images where 'close enough is good enough'.
Of course, I also wonder why LR 'Develop' does not have an auto-rotate function, why I keep finding myself going back to 'Library' to rotate yet another image that was a bit too 'qui se veut artistique' to tell up from down on on the thumbnail ...

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