Subclips from Merged clips sync problem

Hi all,
I'm hoping someone has some insight into a problem I'm having. When I sync audio to my TK dailies, I usually go through the following steps:
1. Sync video clip and audio clip in the timeline.
2. Trim the ends so that I get rid of all the audio and video at the beginning and end I don't need.
3. Link audio and video.
4. Drag linked clips to browser, thus creating a merged clip. This clip will have the in and out I set in the timeline, but the media start and stop will be the original clips' lengths. Because this means I usually have a big long useless bunch of audio at the beginning with no picture, I like to get rid of this, so I:
5. Create a subclip from the merged clip in the browser. This creates a new clip with the media start and end at the point of the former merged clip's in and out. No extra media to clutter things up.
HOWEVER, for some reason this isn't working for me now. When I create the subclip, Final Cut does make the in and out points the new media start and stop times for each individual audio and video clip, but it syncs the clips randomly, so I have sound with no image, then a little random overlap, then image with no sound. If I drag this new subclip made from the merged clip to the timeline, I can unlink and relink to restore the proper sync, but obviously this is a huge pain.
This has never happened to me before, and I've used this method for a while, I THINK from before FCP 6. But right now I'm working on an FCP 5.1.4 again so perhaps it's just something that works in 6? Though I'm almost sure I did it before version 6 successfully.
Does anyone know what's up with this? Or have any ideas for another method to get to the same result? There probably is a better way to do this anyway!
Thanks,
Nayeli

Well, I spoke too soon. That DID turn out to be the problem for that one project, which was at 29.97 non drop frame in general, but for some reason the sound imports as drop frame (though the sound guy assures me it's non drop and all my setting are non drop).
However, I'm having the same problem now in a 24fps project, where I have audio at 48KHz with 24fps timecode and I did a reverse telecine on the original 16mm video. I noticed, however, that though the telecine had no audio, empty audio was captured, and it thinks this audio was at 48048 Hz. This remains even after the reverse telecine. Could this be the problem in this instance?

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I am working on a brand new install of windows 8, all updated, and 64GB of RAM.
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Message was edited by: vanlazarus2013

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When I import an XML Interchange Format V5 file from FCP7 and then import into Premiere Pro CC, my merged clips now have 4 audio channels. 2 from the original file and 2 from the merged audio.
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Ha ha, an excellently wry comparison.
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First post in the Adobe Communities! I'm glad to be a port of it
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I will try converting to see if the problem disappears.
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// G

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The film will be shooted with the new Sony F55 so I'll have to manage RAW files and xavHD files. I made some tests and Premiere read them perfectly.
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That's not the only thing missing with merged clips. Copied from my previous discussion:
No Match Frame
No Replace Edits (picture matches, but audio gets out of sync)
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No retention of MARKER comments. Once you select a new clip, the comments go POOF! Gone.
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