Merging clips from an In point without cutting

Hi, I've got a lot of clips to sync but unfortunately no obvious sync points so I kind of have to find my own. The problem I'm facing is that some of these sync points I'm using are halfway through a clip and if I merge them via In point Premiere automatically cuts everything before it (likewise merging via Out point cuts everything after). Is there some way of merging clips but keeping the duration of the sources? Sorry if this has been answered before. I've tried to find information on this but couldn't.
Thanks
EDIT: In case I haven't worded this properly, my problem is when I create a merged clip from sound and video (or a multicamera sequence), the resulting clip begins from the In point. Nothing before the In point remains.

Context
Live music event. Audio: Line out from the audio desk to an external recorder. Video: 2 DSLR's. No timecode, no clapperboard. I have to sync the songs together. I COULD layer them and move them frame by frame until it sounds right, but that's inaccurate and a lot of work. OR I could find a nice peak in audio as a sync point, mark an In point and merge. This point might be in the middle of the clip though and the resulting subclip will be missing the first half of the song.
I don't get why Avid doesn't have this problem but Premiere does.

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