Subclips in Red project

Question

I am cutting "Sucker," a feature film, in Premiere, shot on a Red Camera in 4K HD.  I have been editing for years on Avid, FCP, and many other systems, starting with film and a moviola.  I switched to Premiere for this film because of the incomparable R3D workflow, especially since I am dealing with a film with a lot of special effects, and being able to go in and out of AE is just to darn attractive.
After about a 2 week learning curve, I am pretty happy with Premiere.  I sorely wish for some features from other systems, but I also find that Premiere has things that other don't, which I like.  On the whole, a workable way to cut a feature film.
There is however, one feature lacking in Premiere that is vital in my opinion for a comprehensive Red/Premiere workflow.
Since every Red film that I have worked with is shot with seperate picture and sound, part of the Red workflow includes syncing dailes.  No problem, stick all the clips in a timeline, sync up the sound, link the clips and rename them.  But I am unable to take the linked picture and sound and turn them into subclips.  I checked with Help and confirmed that this is not a supported feature.
That means that I am condemned to cutting from a sync dailies timeline to a cut timeline, I cannot stick the clips in a bin and cut from there.  Overall, I don't mind too much, that is what I often do anyway.  But say for instance I have a piece of red video with no linked sound ( a reaction shot for example) that I have cut into my edit timeline, and I want to quickly match frame and see what other sync dialog is on that clip.  Even though on the timeline that clip has the take name and number name assigned to it by my assistant editor when syncing and linking, when I hit match frame, the name reverts to the original Red clip name, and there is no sync audio.  Bummer.  So now I have to find the dailies timeline for that scene, scroll through and find the shot I need.
There are also times that I want to organize footage into bins instead of timelines, which is what most Avid editors do, and cut from the bin.
So this is a long winded way of asking:  Any chance in the near future of being able to make subclips from sunk picture and track?
Stephen Eckelberry
Film Editor

Answer 1

I cut from sequence to sequence by choice, adapting techniques I used editing film on KEM editing machines, (KEM was German editing Equipment manufacturer)  We would prepare rolls for editing organized by scenes or sequences, and cut from source roll to edit rolls.  We called the source rolls KEM rolls.  If the dailies for a particular sequence where extensive, we would make KEM rolls for all the Wide shots, others KEM rolls for the close ups, inserts etc.
I make KEM rolls in PrPro as well as FCP.  Unless the scene is huge, I put all the shots for a scene in one sequence, sunk together, linked and renamed to match the slate (scn 4-1, scn 4A-1 etc).  I make shortkeys in my keyboard customization - (M) for setting markers, and another (sift+M) for  going to next marker.  I add a marker after the director says 'action' for each shot.  Now, I can quickly go from shot to shot to compare takes by hitting shift+M.  If I want to go back, I have a shortkey for 'go to previous edit point' which takes me back to the beginning of the take.
As progress with editing the scene I keep adding markers for each line or action I want to compare.  If for example, the dialog for scene 7 between Ben & Jerry is:
BEN:  You like ice cream?
JERRY:  Yes I do.
In my KEM roll for scene 7, I will make a marker before Ben says his line in the 3 takes of the master, 2 takes of the OS and 3 takes of the CU.  I hit Shift+M repeatedly so that I can hear the 8 ways that Ben says "You like ice cream?"  When I find the line reading I want, I mark in and out and then hit the Lift key (;) then, I hit shift+3 to switch from the scene 7 sequence to the edit timeline.  Then I select which tracks I want the video and dialog to be on (shortkeys for that as well) and I hit paste (control or command V, or shift+V for Insert Paste).  I sometimes chekerboard my edit, putting Ben's "You like ice cream" on video 1 and audio 1, and Jerry "Yes I do" on video 2 and audio 2, that way I can play with dialog overlaps.
I then hit shift+3 to get back to the scene 7 and work on the next line.  By the end of the edit for the scene, the scene timeline is littered with markers and gaps where I lifted cuts.
I also use the shortkeys for track selection in my KEM rolls in the source sequence to just select a line of dialog, or just select a reaction shot without dialog.  that way I am getting just what I need.
Shortkeys I set up for track selection:  control (Command on Mac)+1 (numeric pad) for video track 1, then control+2 for video 2 etc.  For audio, I use option+1 for audio  track 1, option+2 for audio 2 etc.