Synchronous start event for a BPM process??

Hi,
If I trigger a BPM Process from say a BSP Application(Shld be able to do this as all I need is a Service Interface (Start Event) related to the BPM), If for some reason the process fails to start -- Is there a way of having a response that would let the triggering application know that the BPM process instantiation has failed...
What I am trying to understand is :
1)would the Service Interface for the BPM start Event, provide a response ?...??
2)Is it possible to have some kind of logic implementation for this Service Interface(that starts a BPM Process) ??
Eventhough there was a similar message in the forum, I wanted to have a clear picture ....
A detailed reply would be highly appreciated ..Thanks !
Best Regards,
Arun

Hi Arun,
I guess you need to distinguish 2 to 3 cases here:
In case you used a snychronous call in the service interface definition assigned to the process start event it will result in a SOAP fault, which says that the process started successfully. Reason for that is explained here: Starting a BPM Process - Where is the Service?
Problems within your process would also not be reflected in the SOAP message (e.g. if there is some issue within the first step after the process has been started). I guess that is somehow obvious as the process has been started after all, but I wanted to state it anyways.
Finally and that's possibly the most important point for you: If there are any problems during the instantiation and in the end no process has been started then this should be reflected in the SOAP result. If not I would consider it as an issue in the implementation and would like to ask you to open a ticket for it on http://service.sap.com/message
More details could be found in the documentation:
Starting a Process
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce711/helpdata/en/62/a6d7ac03994e0796c6b949c8952547/frameset.htm
Creating Service Interface Definitions
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce711/helpdata/en/47/62632a3c304359e10000000a42189c/frameset.htm
Hope that helps,
Martin

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