System Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts does not recognize some keys

Upgrading to Snow Leopard meant leaving Unsanity's elegant Menu Master behind. I've been trying to make do with System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts > Applications Shortcuts. I've had some success. I'm now looking for help dealing with unfortunate shortcomings.
At the top of my list:
Keyboard Shortcuts doesn't let me use some keys I was accustomed to using in Menu Master:
• Delete, Help, forward Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down just beep.
• Enter is accepted, but it's treated the same as Return -- these are two different keys!
Is there some way to trick/force Keyboard Shortcuts to accept these keys?
For example, I seem to recall Menu Master required a mouse-down to enter some special keys.
-- Ward

Ward Clark wrote:
Thanks, V.K., for your comments.
I wrote: Enter is accepted, but it's treated the same as Return
not for me. it's both displayed and treated differently. I suspect what you are seeing is a byproduct of using a haxie such as Menu Master.
no it's not. it's treated differently.
In Leopard, Menu Master let me assign Command+Enter to Address Book > Edit Card. When I attempt the same using Keyboard Shortcuts, both Command+Return and Command+Enter are displayed as Command plus a "return arrow." After that, in Address Book, both Command+Return and Command+Enter invoke the "Edit Card" menu action.
not for me.
if you want to use those keys in the shortcuts use one of the many 3rd party app launchers. any one of them will let you do this: Qucisilver, Butler, Spark, Launchbar, ikeys, quickeys etc.
I've been using QuicKeys since the beginning of time, and I have some experience with Butler and LaunchBar. They're useful for what they do. But, as far as I know, none add keyboard shortcuts that are displayed directly in the menus. That display feature is what makes Menu Master and Systems Prefs > Keyboard Shortcuts so attractive.
that's because Menu Master is a haxie. none of the other programs mentioned are. you want such functionality you are going have to use a haxie. personally - i stay away from them as they destabilize the system.
When I'm considering new shortcuts, I use KeyCue to display all current shortcuts in a single display. KeyCue now displays QuicKeys shortcuts in the same display, which is a big help.
-- Ward

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