TC not backing up both of my internal hard drives.

So I am having a frustrating issue with my TC setup. I have a mac mini that has two internal hard drives each one being 500 GB. My TC drive is 1 TB. When I go to time machine preferences and click options I do not have any of my internal drives in the exclude lists. In fact it says that the estimated size of full backup is 733.31 GB which seems to imply that TC would be backing up both internal drives to my one external TC drive.
The problem is when I enter time machine and click on my second internal hard drive all the files are greyed out. I can see them all there but can't do anthing with them because they are grey. This is not the case for the main system drive.
I refered to this thread https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2022065?threadID=2022065&tstart=0 and checked in the disk utility to see if all the drives were in the proper format. Indeed all my drives are formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled). At this point I have no idea why all the files in my second internal hard drive are greyed out when I enter TC. I would greatly appreciate any help with this issue.

Did you change something in the setup after the TM had been running for a while.. is it running Lion server still?
Look at E2 and E3 in Pondini. http://pondini.org/TM/Troubleshooting.html
Some of these kinds of things are really complex.
Are you running the widget as that might show what is happening. See A1 reference above.
Is enough of the TC hard disk used up to suggest the backups have been working.. ie if the estimated backup size is 733GB is at least that much disk space used. If not it could be that TM has already not got enough space to back up the second drive.. although it should spit out an error message.
I would strongly recommend you buy CCC or some other decent backup software, and create a full clone of the boot drive and full backup of the second drive .. you can plug in a 1TB USB drive.. and save it all. Then if something goes wrong you have the server up and running again immediately. (You may have already done this, in which case please excuse the comments).

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"Not enough free space" with multiple internal hard drives

I have a Power Mac G4, dual 1.25 Ghz, 2mb Ram running 10.5.8. I have four 500gb internal drives. I've had a number of issues with my internal drives lately. Hopefully someone here can help.
When I "get info" none of the drives display capacity or availability.
When I attempt to copy files from one drive to another I will consistently receive this error:
"The item "filename" cannot be copied because there is not enough free space.
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This seems to have fixed the problem as I was copying and organizing my files back and forth between drives quite easily. However, the problem has returned from out of nowhere.
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Have you emptied the Trash on those drives?
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2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)
*Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*
3. Click the First Aid tab.
4. Select your Mac OS X volume.
5. Click Repair. Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214
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1) Does this mean that I will not be able to do a full system restore from these Time Machine backups?
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OS X 10.8.5 (12F45)
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Hi,
I'm running a Quicksilver G4 - the last of the dual booters - and I have two hard drives installed. One is an 80Gb carrying the OS, apps, and iMovie projects and photos.
The original 60Gb drive is still in there, and has the old OS9 and all my work on there, and my iTunes library.
I currently back up to a MyBook 500Gb firewire external drive. It's partioned into 3 sections. One for long term storage, not backed up. The other two hard drives are backed up completely in the other two partitions, using Retrospect.
Can I use Time Machine two back up these two drives, and what do I need to do to the partions?
I thought it best to ask first.

Thanks Ewan,
What I'd like to do is to abandon Retrospect and use Time Machine only for both the internal drives. The remaining part of the external drive just used for storage and not backing up, I'd like to leave how it is, I just drag and drop there.
On my partions, I've allowed 80Gb and 60Gb partitions, the same size as the drives, though neither drive is more than half full.
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I have a 2011 iMac with two internal hard drives---a 2TB HDD and 256GB solid state.
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I have a Mac pro(1 free bay) and a mac mini I need to back both of them Is it better to use an external NAS HD or an internal hard drive on my mac pro (mid 2010) What option has the faster GB/s?

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Both Internal hard drives fail on Macbook Pro late-2011

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HDD-A was not visible in Finder but HDD-B was accessible.
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Kernel Panic screen happened again on the SSD.
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Disk Recovery from a boot recovery USB thumb, Disk Utility, erased SSD, verify was ok.
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I normally work with the lid closed and attached to the ACD, I also suspect that overheating caused both drives to fail. However, I have been using this system with the lid closed for atleast a week. One Kernel Panic screen occured.

Depending on what you are doing on the computer, how hard you are working the computer, it should not overheat. And if it does it should shut down or get very slow because when it starts to overheat the CPU will be throttled back to a lower Ghz speed and or just shut down so it doesn't cause damage to the CPU. The Kernel Panics are a sign that something else is going on. This could be software or hardware.
If after wiping the drives and reinstall Lion on the SSD if the system is running OK then the drives are fine, IE they are not bad. There is something else corrupting them. Again this could be hardware or software, but I doubt it is heat. And using the MBP ion clamshell mode should not cause overheating or excessive heating of either of the drives.
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I have a strange problem with a 2009 MacBookPro. It started acting "strange" for the user over the past few months. By "strange" I mean it would freeze, or fail to boot, or sometimes even restart without any reason. Now, it gets even stranger. Tried the standard things, RAM reseat, replace, check for loose connectors etc. It would fail to boot when the hard drive was connected internally. Then it would give a kernal panic and fail to even recognize a hard drive as being installed. Did a PRam reset, SMC reset and even the power off/control key to try to reset the open firmware. No sucess with anything. This is a suystem with an internal battery.
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I then took the, now totally erased hard drive, and put it back into the computer as an internal drive and booted the computer from a 10.8 USB stick so I could partition the now empty hard drive. The drive was not even recognized as being present. Did the same thing, but using the USB external connection for that same hard drive. It partitioned and then formatted with 10.8.1 (what was on the USB stick). After the OS was installed, the computer would boot using this newly created OS when connected as an external USB drive. Put the drive back in as the internal drive. Got a Kernal Panic. Forced shutdown and retried. Noi kernal Panic but drive was not even recognized. Pulled the drive from internal and put it back into the external USB and tried booting. System would not recognize the drive as even being present.
I then erased and cleaned the drive in the XP machine again and then, using the USB connection on the second computer reinstalled 10.8 from the USB. When I tried the now newly created software again, the same thing happened as listed above. 2nd machine booted fine on the drive as a USB, "Strange" machine booted fine using the drive as an external USB, Kernal Panicked then would not be recognized in the "Strange" machine.
It appears that when the drive is connected internally. it not only does not have the OS software recognized but will rewrite something in the drive that makes it impossible to be recognized by any Apple. My first thought was that the EFI partition was corrupted somehow so that was why I tried cleaning the EFI partition along with the other two partitions. But even with a new EFI and other partitions, the drive was not useable once it was used to try to boot as an internal drive in the suspect computer.
Now here I am dropping into speculation mode. My guess is that something in the very basic ROM (Pram?) that recognizes a hard drive is in the internal slot and tries to get to the EFI instead fails and in the process it screws up the EFI (or maybe even an address table?) in the hard drive. If it recognizes that there is no internal hard drive, it will happily boot from either a USB stick, a USB connected external hard drive or a Firewire/Terminal mode computer connected to it.
Sounds like a motherboard problem but I am wondering if it is possible to "flash" the very basic ROM that is at the start of the process back to factory default or maybe just replace the chip if it is the same one used as part of the Firmware password protection system.
Anyone have any other ideas or thoughts about possible solutions or at least a way to definitely identify what the problem's cause?

Answer has been found. The internal drive SATA cable was replaced and the system is now working correctly.

I was just wondering if I can use time capsule with my iphone for both back up and to access the hard drive on the capsule?

I was just wondering if I can use time capsule with my iphone for both back up and to access the hard drive on the capsule?

I don't think backup is supported but you may be able to access the TC's internal drive, from the iPhone, with an application like: NetPortal
Note: I haven't actually tried this app, so if someone else has and was successful in accessing the TC's drive they can certainly chime in.
Follow-up. Just downloaded and installed this app ... and I can now verify that it, indeed, can access both my TC's internal and externally attached USB HDD.

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