Time Machine Backing Itself up On Time Capsule

I'd posted this in the Mtn Lion discussion area, but figured I'd see if I got any thoughts from the Time Capsule Area...
I have two separate computers exhibiting the same behavior:
When I use a USB external drive on either computer for a backup disk, everything seems to work "normally"... Specifically, the Time Machine Backup is automatically excluded from being backed up...
However, when either computer (running 10.8.2) is connected to a 2TB Time Capsule (either by wireless or by Ethernet cable), the Time Machine Backup is not in the excluded list, nor can I add it (it remains greyed out as far as a selection is concerned)... I wan't too concerned about this, until I watched a backup of my iMac start out at about 1GB required size, and then grow as the backup progressed... It was in the 20GB size when I finally cancelled the backup. I'm guessing that TM was backing up the backup...
I've gone through Pondini's website and reset the time capsule, repaired permissions, verified disks, to no avail with respect to getting the TM Backup to be excluded...
Anyone else seen this problem using a Time Capsule for TM backup?
Bob

LaPastenague,
Thanks for your input...
My initial analysis was quite limited...
I first thought there might be a problem when I noticed that in the left-hand column of Time Machine's finder window, under "devices" my Time Machine Backup (which I'll refer to as device). This device did not have any past backups, and only seemed to have a reference time/date of "now". I then noticed that this device was not in TM's exclusion list, nor was I able to to exclude this device--something that I was able to do under Leopard, Snow Leopard, and Lion.
A short while after this discovery, I noticed that a backup had begun that would grow "as it grew" (for lack of a better explaination).... Time Machine (and the Console) indicated that the backup would need 1.0GB, but as 1.0GB was approached, TM would then indicate that it really was a 2.0GB backup... As 2GB was approached, TM would indicate that it was really a 3GB backup, and so on...
I've not added any virtual machines that can explain a rapidly growing file... I do recall this happening with Virtual PC back on a iMac G-5... MS Office 2004's Entourage also had the same problem, since it's email files were stored in one large, ever-expanding file. To resolve that issue, I just excluded the VPC and Entourage Data Files from the backup.
Your comment concerning "cloud stuff" was interesting...I'm wondering if some files out in photo stream were somehow being backed up... I've turned Photo Stream off (had perhaps 20 GB out there I think), and will see if that changes any of TM's behavior.
I'll take a look at Pondini's A2...I don't recall if I had read it or not...
Thanks again for your input...I'll reply with anything I discover.
Bob

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