Type on a path and pattern brush

Hi,
As an exercise I'm recreating the logo for the Seattle Mariners. I've got it except for two things and would really appreciate help with:
1.) The type "Mariners" sloping downward in an arc. I was able to get the Seattle part using type on a path on a circle and typing on top. Question is, can I also type Mariners on the bottom of that path? I recall that not being the case. Am I supposed to draw another circle over the one that Seattle is typed on and then on that one type on the bottom? Regardless, please explain how to do it?
2.) For the stitching, am I supposed to create one stitch and then create a brush, draw a curve and then apply the brush to that curve? How do I space them out that way? If not, please explain.
Thanks!

Have you already read this:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/illustrator/cs/using/WS714a382cdf7d304e7e07d0100196cbc5f-64faa .html

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Sigh, I forgot all about it needing to fit inside of a rectangle.
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