'US web coated SWOP v2' to 'Fogra39' ... usa vs eu?

Dear InDesigners,
In our studio (European, Netherlands) we get a lot of images from US colleagues which contain the 'US web coated SWOP v2' profile.
Our workflow is mainly based on Adobe RGB images and some Fogra39 CMYK images (for greater control in printing).a
What is the best method to convert these 'US images' ? Should we convert them to Adobe RGB straight away... Or keep them CMYK but convert to Fogra39? And is it possible any differences occur while doing so?
Most of the time we work with west-European printers and provide them with certified pdfs, the Fogra39 profile embedded.
Thanks in advance!
Moris

Thanks guys, that was helpful.
I will ask some of our regular printers if they know what's best for both of us.
@ Cdflash - Fyi the images are mainly product shots en environmentals of electronic products. So the product shots are meant to have a similar look & feel to them. So I assume it's done for consistency yeah. Our photographer delivers all final images in Adobe RGB though, so we already have a big difference in those.
I always set the CS colour settings in Bridge for all our workstations, so anybody opening 'us-images' is getting a 'warning'.
@Dov - We would convert to Adobe RGB in case on any 'significant' retouching. For example implementing product renders of adding gradients, masks etc.
So you guys suggest to leave the 'us-images' untouched, import them where needed in InDesign and let the 'Export to pdf...' with the Fogra39 profile settings do the conversion.What you're saying is that the 4-3-4 (don' fully understand though) conversion of Photoshop is less good than a conversion done InDesign Export?
Thing is we do provide third parties with our images sometime and we're not sure about their expertise. So I'd rather have all images send out being in as few colour profiles as possible. Also we use some images for Newspaper print, so we have to convert those anyways to a different profile.
I guess I could go back to the US colleagues and ask if they want to keep and share the original RGB images (if available from the start) with us.
We're at the verge of changing our image server structure (established 10 years ago) and I'm trying to structurise the workflow. Don't want to make decisions now, that'll later will appear inefficient or flawed.
Again thanks for your time and knowledge.
Moris

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Thank you, twenty_one, for taking the time to read my post and put up a reply. I am going to rebuild my question and post it again here. But first, to answer some of your points:
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I would appreciate it if someone could straighten me out.
* I tested this by switching the Photoshop file to Web Coated FOGRA28 and the colour values did change to allow for a lower ink limit, so maybe there's something in that. So why doesn't FOGRA39 do it? With the colour set to FOGRA39 Photoshop happily accepts a nice black blob coloured as 100% each of C,M,Y and K.
Sorry if this is a bit long but it seems like a useful discussion for Colour management newbies.

I read in a forum that Photoshop restricts the ink limit according to the colour profile being used, but that doesn't seem to be happening for me.*
Total Ink limit is a parameter of a CMYK profile—so the limit won't be exceeded when you make a color conversion from any other color space into that profile's color space, i.e AdobeRGB>FOGRA39, or US Sheetfed Coated>FOGRA39. However, once the file is converted to CMYK there's nothing stopping me from exceeding the limit via a color correction. For example, I could convert a PS file filled with 0|0|0 RGB to FOGRA39 CMYK and the ink limit would not exceed the 330% defined in the FOGRA39 profile, but as you noted I could also fill the resulting CMYK file with 100|100|100|100 and exceed the 330% limit.
Also, there's nothing stopping me from assigning the FOGRA39 profile to any CMYK file. In that case there's no color conversion—I could make a new SWOP Coated CMYK file, fill it with 100|100|100|100, assign FOGRA39, and the fill would still have 400% total ink.
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The general wisdom seems to be that for CMYK print, files linked to InDesign should be CMYK not RGB (though to me, RGB seems to work fine as it gets converted at PDF stage)
The general wisdom is actually old conventional wisdom, there's nothing wrong with making the conversion from RGB to CMYK when you export—the resulting CMYK values will be no different than the ones you would get out of PS assuming the source and destination profiles, and rendering intents are the same. The no RGB rule is a hangover from when you couldn't make color managed color conversions inside a page layout program.

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When we save a file to a pdf from photoshop cc the pdf will show some clipping of color , as if the color disappeared on the pdf. what steps are needed so this doesn't occur?

Thank you for responding. Below is some info.
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