Use of Semaphore in addition to db connection pool

Hi,
I have a multi-threaded app, about 4 threads, reading from a local DB then pushing to a web service,
then writing a response back to the local DB. I'm using Commons DBCP with a size of 20.
Do you think there is any added benefit to using semaphore to safe-guard access to the DB pool?
Will this prevent any deadlocks in a more thorough manner?

iketurner wrote:
Yes,
after I am done with the connection I explicitly close it:
conn.closeThis should handle things for me.
I will add in the use of finally
Will this make a difference you think, even though I am using conn.close()?whenever you use a "resource" you should close it in a finally block. otherwise you can leak resources if you encounter problems (i.e. throw exception):
Connection c = null;
try {
  c = ...;
  // do something with c
} finally {
  if(c != null) {
    c.close();
}this is a must if you are using db connections, otherwise an exception thrown during the "do something with c" part will cause your connection to not be closed. then you would encounter problems later as all you run out of connections in your connection pool and your application hangs.

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    68000000-68035fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\rsaenh.dll
    769c0000-76a73fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\USERENV.dll
    438b0000-438b8fff E:\bea\jrockit90_150_10\jre\bin\nio.dll
    41ba0000-41ba9fff E:\bea\jrockit90_150_10\jre\bin\jmapi.dll
    41bb0000-41bbdfff E:\bea\weblogic92\server\native\win\32\wlfileio2.dll
    43ce0000-43cf8fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\iphlpapi.dll
    43d10000-43d27fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\MPRAPI.dll
    77cc0000-77cf1fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\ACTIVEDS.dll
    43d30000-43d54fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\adsldpc.dll
    43d60000-43d70fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\ATL.DLL
    43d80000-43ebcfff C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll
    43ec0000-43f4afff C:\WINDOWS\system32\OLEAUT32.dll
    43f50000-43f5dfff C:\WINDOWS\system32\rtutils.dll
    71bf0000-71c02fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\SAMLIB.dll
    43f60000-44052fff C:\WINDOWS\system32\SETUPAPI.dll
    44060000-44064fff E:\bea\weblogic92\server\native\win\32\wlntio.dll
    44540000-44545fff E:\bea\jrockit90_150_10\jre\bin\rmi.dll
    4d010000-4d122fff E:\bea\jrockit90_150_10\jre\bin\dbghelp.dll
    "[STANDBY] ExecuteThread: '21' f" id=87 idx=0xf0 tid=4208 lastJavaFrame=0x4B29EB4C
    Stack 0: start=0x4B260000, end=0x4B2A0000, guards=0x4B263000 (ok), forbidden=0x4B261000
    Thread Stack Trace:
    at _mmGetPossibleMovedObjectSize+15()@0x0095065F
    at _refIterInit+393()@0x00981099
    at _refIterInit+474()@0x009810EA
    at _trProcessLocksForThread+66()@0x0098ECD2
    at _javalockCouldBeLock+1047()@0x008AB417
    at _javalockConvertThinToFat+42()@0x008AC13A
    at RJNIjrockit_vm_Locks_convertThinLockedToFatLocked@8+15()@0x00986B1F
    -- Java stack --
    at jrockit/vm/Locks.convertThinLockedToFatLocked(Ljava/lang/Object;)V(Native Method)
    at jrockit/vm/Locks.createMonitorAndConvert(Ljava/lang/Object;Z)Ljrockit/vm/ObjectMonitor;(Unknown Source)
    at java/lang/Object.wait(J)V(Native Method)
    at java/lang/Object.wait(Object.java:474)
    at weblogic/common/CompletionRequest.getResult(CompletionRequest.java:109)
    ^-- Holding lock: weblogic/common/CompletionRequest@0x09E5C2A8[thin lock]
    at weblogic/store/gxa/internal/GXATransactionImpl.commitStoreIO(GXATransactionImpl.java:99)
    at weblogic/store/gxa/internal/GXATransactionImpl.doOperationCallbacks(GXATransactionImpl.java:215)
    at weblogic/store/gxa/internal/GXAResourceImpl.commit(GXAResourceImpl.java:1448)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/XAServerResourceInfo.commit(XAServerResourceInfo.java:1333)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/XAServerResourceInfo.commit(XAServerResourceInfo.java:577)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/ServerSCInfo.startCommit(ServerSCInfo.java:514)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/ServerTransactionImpl.localCommit(ServerTransactionImpl.java:1993)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/ServerTransactionImpl.globalRetryCommit(ServerTransactionImpl.java:2658)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/ServerTransactionImpl.globalCommit(ServerTransactionImpl.java:2580)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/ServerTransactionImpl.internalCommit(ServerTransactionImpl.java:278)
    at weblogic/transaction/internal/ServerTransactionImpl.commit(ServerTransactionImpl.java:227)
    at weblogic/deployment/jms/WrappedTransactionalSession.delistFromTransaction(WrappedTransactionalSession.java:258)
    ^-- Holding lock: weblogic/deployment/jms/PooledSession_weblogic_jms_client_JMSXASession@0x09D56368[thin lock]
    at weblogic/deployment/jms/WrappedMessageProducer.send(WrappedMessageProducer.java:149)
    at com/obopay/jms/helper/BaseQueueHelper.sendMessage(BaseQueueHelper.java:107)
    The above is the jrockit crash dump file..
    I am using the JMS Wrapper Connection Poooling provided by Weblogic. When i use Jmeter and do the load testing for around 10 users, the server gets crashed.
    I doubt something is going wrong with the Weblogic JMS Connection Pooling, please help me..

    The problem doesn't look like it has anything to do with wappers per se. The stack indicates that the JVM died when the persistent store tried to invoke a standard Java synchronize operation. JVM crashes need to be analyzed by a JVM expert, so I second the suggestion to solicit help from JVM experts and/or filing a case with customer support. In the mean-time, you can probably work-around the issue by either (A) ensuring you have a recent version of the JVM installed, or (B) temporarily switching to the Sun JVM.
    Regards,
    tom
    Edited by: TomB on Sep 17, 2010 2:33 PM

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