Using Aperture and iPhoto

I have been using Aperture, and love it. I just got the new iLife 08 and like some features in iPhoto that I cannot use in Aperture, such as the new web gallery and the new iPhoto books. Is there a way I can easily use both without managing 2 databases?

I have just done the same thing, and don't those Web Galleries look great?!
You do have to manage two databases (Aperture and iPhoto) but you do not have to make additional copies of your photos (as I am sure you are keen to preserve HD space on your MBP).
In iPhoto preferences you can elect to not add your imported pictures to the iPhoto library.
So one way to do it is import your Aperture Previews via the File menu in iPhoto. This way iPhoto has access to the Photos but you haven;t made yet another copy. This does necessitate having a whole heap of previews that you may or may not publish on your web gallery, but you can also access them smoothly and easily from within iLife and iWork.
Another and even better way for preserving disk space would be to not have Previews on in the first place in Aperture (thereby saving room).
Make an individual album or a smart folder in aperture and then export those particular images as JPEGs at whatever quality you choose.
These images would almost certainly need to be incorporated into the iPhoto library. But at least you have only doubled up on a few select pics and not your whole aperture library.

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Using Aperture and IPhoto together for RAW

Hi All,
I have just received my MBP and will be using Aperture to edit my RAW files from a Nikon camera.
I was wondering if Aperture works the same as IPhoto in regards to the library function or do you still use IPhoto to arrange, tag your images etc...
If that is the case how do you do that if you are using RAW files? Does IPhoto recognise RAW images?
I would like to hear your workflow on a MAC.
Cheers.

Sad to say Richard but you are close but not quite correct. Aperture has a much reduced set of RAW support vs. iPhoto. Of this I can personally attest, but they're both covered on the Apple site.
To add to some other points you address...
iPhoto is still needed for simple integration with other iLife apps., as Aperture has no iLife integration. There is an Aperture2iLife script available (Lightbox software) which automates an export and import process. If you carry an iPod around with photos, then you'll need to maintain iPhoto for that purpose. Welcome to the land of duplicates!
iPhoto does indeed process the RAW and all image work is performed on a JPEG version therafter. The RAW is never used, but is stored in the Originals folder (along with any original JPG or TIF files from the camera if these were shot vs. RAW).
Aperture's RAW converter is markedly superior to iPhoto, and the control and editing options likewise. As noted, Aperture does not change the original RAW (or other imported file), but saves the edit instructions (akin to adjustment layers in Photoshop) for rebuilding the image viewed from the original. Enhanced book and Web Gallery options exist vs. iPhoto ... so integration to iWeb isn't quite as important, though would be very useful.

How to get Aperture and iPhoto to use Pentax *ist DL RAW images natively

Using some techniques that I found in various places in these forums, I am going to give step-by-step instructions to get Aperture and iPhoto to recognize Pentax *ist DL RAW images natively.
Note: This worked for me using 10.4.6 with the latest iPhoto 06 and Aperture updates. I do NOT know if this will work on older versions of OS X, iPhoto, or Aperture.
Note: If you also use a Pentax *ist DS camera, these instructions will probably disable support for that particular device due to the modifications made to a system file. Only complete these instructions if you want to use a *ist DL camera.
** These instructions involve modifying system level files using a HEX editor. If you are not comfortable with this, do NOT attempt to do this or you could kill your system. Remember, BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP. These steps worked great for me but follow at your own risk!! **
Ok, lets begin...
1) Download this great patch by macintosh_tech
http://idisk.mac.com/macintosh_tech-Public
This patch contains an updated raw.plist file which includes the RAW information for the *ist DL. This patch also contains an updated libRaw.dylib file and an updated Raw Presets file for Aperture.
** Do NOT copy the libRaw.dylib file from this patch to the folder listed in the patch Read_Me. This file did not work on my Intel-based Mac and crashed my system!!
I was able to modify my original libRaw.dylib file using a HEX editor to get it to work on my system. Instructions for this modification will follow.
2) Open the .dmg of the patch in a Finder window
3) Open a new finder window and browse to /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/ImageIO.fra mework/Resources
*4) Backup the libRaw.dylib and Raw.plist files. Copy them to a safe location. For extra safety, you can just copy the whole Resources folder to a safe location (Make sure that you COPY it and dont MOVE it)*
5) Right-click the libRaw.dylib file and select "Get Info". Look at the bottom of the info window and expand the "Ownership & Permissions" tab. In this section, expand the "Details" tab. If the lock icon is in the locked position, click it to unlock it. Change "Owner" to your user name. If requested, enter your system password at this point. Close the info window. This step lets you modify the libRaw.dylib file.
6) Complete step 5 for the Raw.plist file.
7) Copy the Raw.plist file from the "Place In System Folder" folder from the patch to the Resources folder. It will ask you if you wnt to overwrite the existing file. Click "Replace".
8) Open a new finder window and browse to the /Users/YOURUSERNAME/Library/Application Support/Aperture/ folder.
* 9) Backup the "Raw Decode Presets.plist" file *
10) Copy the "Raw Decode Presets.plist" file from the "Place In Home Directory" folder from the patch to the /Users/YOURUSERNAME/Library/Application Support/Aperture/ folder. Click "replace" if it asks you.
11) Here's the tricky part. Download a HEX editor if you don't have one. I used 0xED. It is free and can be downloaded from
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/29521
12) Open the libRaw.dylib file from the Resources folder in your HEX editor.
Note: This is your original libRaw.dylib file from your /System/Library/...../Resources/ folder, NOT the file from the patch.
Use the Find function and search for the string "Pentax *ist DS". Make sure you are using "Search Type: Text" (or equivilent in your editor) and that you use proper case. When you find this string, change the "S" in the "DS" to an "L". The string should now look like "Pentax *ist DL". Use the "Find Next" function to find the next instance of "Pentax *ist DS". Again, change the "S" to an "L". There should be two total instances that you need to change. Save the file and exit the editor.
13) Open Disk Utility and repair permissions. This will set the raw.plist and libRaw.dylib files back to their original permissions.
14) Reboot the system.
15) You should now be able to view .PEF files natively in Aperture and iPhoto. I appologize in advance for any typos. Let me know how this works, as this is my first tutorial of this nature.
Macbook 2.0 Mac OS X (10.4.6)

It would appear that my last post was a moot point as the 10.4.7 update adds support for the *ist DL. It's nice to have it biult into the operating system now.

Aperture and iPhoto should use the same library

Hi all,
It seems that there is a lot of conversation about moving photos between Aperture and iPhoto. For example, some like iPhotos slideshow better but still require Apertures adjustment options. Still others have tried, to no avail, to use Aperture as iPhoto's external editor.
Personally, I have a large iPhoto library with most photos tagged with keywords. I have just started using Aperture and am yet to decide if its extra features are useful for a novice photographer like myself. Other than the price, I see no reason not to use Aperture instead of iPhoto but I would want to import my entire iPhoto library into Aperture.
My question, however, is why we need to 'import' from one app to the other. Without understanding how the aperture / iphoto databases work, I would assume there is no fundamental reason why Aperture could not simply open an existing iPhoto library and visa versa. They both support RAW, keywords, books etc. And while I am sure there are some deviations in the databases, surely each app could simply ignore the features it does not understand.
Is this something that anyone else has considered or think would be good. I would imagine that the easier it is for customers to upgrade from iPhoto to Aperture the better. Does Apple plan on supporting this in the future or is the import option 'good enough'.
Cheers

Can I and if so how do I best set up Aperture as main app. (master) with iPhoto as sub app that accesses the same library to sort through, look at, order books, etc.
Simply set the Preferences to 'Share Previews with iLife Applications' in Aperture. Then go to iPhoto -> File -> Show Aperture Library. A media browser will open and you can drag the pics from the Browser to the iPhoto Window. Note: You're getting the Aperture Previews not Masters. Note too that if you set iPhoto to Referenced mode (iPhoto -> Preferences -> Advanced) then you won't use double the disk space.
+Remember though, you are not accessing the Aperture Library. If you make changes in the Aperture Library (Re-edit the shots) after bringing pics to iPhoto, those changes are not reflected in iPhoto.+
This is what William means when he says the iPhoto does not access the Aperture Library.
Regards
TD

Is it possible for one user to use Aperture and another iPhoto?

I have a new imac 21.5", 3.33ghz, 4gb and I was wondering if it is possible for me as admin user to handle camera downloads automatically with Aperture, and my wife as second user to use iPhoto as automatic camera destination? Any comments would be appreciated.

If you want to use the same account there are a number of possibilities:
1. Set both Aperture and iPhoto to Do Nothing when a camera is connected. Then each one can launch their preferred app themselves. It's just one extra click.
2. Use [Cameras|http://www.flexibits.com> to configure what happens when different cameras are connected.
Regards
TD

Using both aperture and iphoto

is there a way to use both aperture and iphoto without duplicating all the pictures? can I just point aperture to the iphoto folder with my pictures? i would like to use both, but don't want to have to duplicate all of my pictures, my hard drive can't handle my heavy shutter finger twice over.

Fundamentally our need/pain drives our determination of the best solution.
iPhoto is great as you say for integration cross iLife, basic photo management and basic edits.
Once you start to use Aperture with any volume of photos, it rapidly dawns on you how basic iPhoto is. I have tried both, and used iPhoto from iLife 04 onwards. iPhoto becomes unwieldly when you start throwing 100, 200, 500 or a 1,000 images at it. Compares and selects, sorting on different metadata, all slicker than iPhoto. But when it comes to image adjustments, there really is no comparison. Highlights/Shadows, Levels with quarter points, spot/patch controls ... smoothing, etc. To say nothing of seeing your original and modified(s) side by side. Or how about non-destructive crops so you can create the best possible presentation of the object with the overall image? Organization and navigational structure? Built in backup (Vaults) so that it is easy to back up. Yes, I'm sold on Aperture and that's why I now export just my finished (keepers) results back to iPhoto and not the other way around.
As your volumes grow, and your experience with Aperture grows, I'm sure you will start to reconsider.
Have fun.
G.

Run Aperture and iPhoto on an external drive and edit from laptop?

Can I run iphoto and Aperture on an external hard drive, like a file server? Can I store pics on the external hard drive and edit using iphoto or aperture on the external hard drive from a laptop ? How do I make this work?
HELP! I'm maxed out!

Hello Laura,
what is it, that you want to achieve?
Move the Aperture Library to an external drive to free space on your laptop?
or do you want to share your Aperture Libray between your machines and access it in parallel on a network volume?
The option "1" is easy to achieve, the option "2" is not supported by Aperture; Aperture (and iPhoto) are single User programs, see this:
Aperture: Use locally mounted Mac OS X Extended volumes for your Aperture library:http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3252
To move your library (or parts of your library) to an external drive you have two options:
move the complete libary using the finder to a local, external, MacOSX formatted drive,
or turn your library into a "referenced" library: relocate the master image files to the external drive, but keep the Library itself (much smaller now) on your laptop. This way you can browse your images and rate them, use them as screensaver, even if the external drive is not connected.
Regards
Léonie
P.S. the same (*** grano salis) holds for iPhoto; you can move the library, or your libraries, to an external drive using the Finder; you can make the iPhoto Library referenced, but referenced libraries are much better supported in Aperture, for Aperture has been designed in espacially to support huge, distributed libraries - in iPhoto I found it it safer to have several smaller libraries than to have one huge, referenced library - that was one of the reasons I moved from iPhoto to Aperture.

How do I transfer photos from aperture and iPhoto to bridge?

How do I transfer photos from Aperture and iPhoto to Adobe Bridge. I am using Photoshop CS6. Many of my original photos were stored as raw files.

Here's how to access Mac iPhoto images for use in Photoshop
and so that they may be viewed by choosing that folder in Bridge..
1. In the Finder, navigate to Users > [user name} > Pictures > iPhoto Library.
2. Control-click (Right-click) the iPhoto Library file and choose Show Package Contents.
3. A Finder window opens that shows the contents. The Masters folder (or called Originals folder) contains all of the photographs that are in iPhoto.
Photoshop cannot access this folder, but if you make a duplicate of the folder, the dupe will be accessible -- so:
4. Control-click (Right-click) the folder named Masters (or Originals) and choose Duplicate.
5, Drag the duplicate folder which is named "Masters copy" or “Originals copy” from the iPhoto Library Finder window to the Desktop.
6. Open images in Photoshop from file on desktop or view them in Bridge.
7 Rename the folder and move it elsewhere (probably to the Pictures folder), if desired.
And here is a Forum thread related to Aperture-to-Bridge
How do I transfer Apple Aperture library to Bridge?

Sharing Photo's between Aperture and iPhoto and syncing to iPads, etc

Here is my problem.
I have 5 Macs (1 iMac, 4 laptops.) There are 4 people in my family and we have the family pack of iLife. The iMac is where everything sits with a time capsule and Drobo hanging off of it - about 6 TB's of data. Each Mac sync's with a variety of iPods, iTouchs and iPads. All linked to a user. So for example, all my oldest son's devices sync with only his laptop.
Well, I finally fixed my media (songs, movies, TV shows, etc) problem by leveraging home share in iTunes and authorizing all my Macs. But not so lucky yet for Photo's.
Here is the my photo dilemma.
I like Aperture for the editing and ability to handle large libraries better. So I have Aperture installed on the iMac where everything sits. iPhoto is also installed on the iMac and iPhoto is on all 4 other laptops. Prior to moving to Aperture, sharing photo's between computers was relatively easy using sharing in iPhoto - although it appears sharing in iPhoto is different than home share in iTunes. I converted my iPhoto library on the iMac to Aperture - now sharing is a pain in the neck.
Ideally, a Home Share like feature would be built into Aperture and iPhoto with another feature that would allow you to "check for new photos" on the laptops and pull them into Aperture - but wishful thinking right now.
So my while my 2 new iPads are awesome - they are basically useless for Photo's as they are synced to 2 laptops that use iPhoto, but all my Photos are in Aperture on the iMac.
Thoughts anyone????
Thanks

What was the question?
Regards
TD

Another Aperture and iPhoto problem i am having

I today imported 5 photos into aperture, i done keywords and other metadata pictures are all jpeg large 12 MP images. I then go-to the new iphoto 09 and again select show Aperture library find the pictures and drag them into a album on iphoto for easy uploading to facebook etc 3 of the pictures in iphoto when clicked are good clear images the other two when clicked are poor quality scaled down images why?. I thought the masters were left within aperture, and iphoto just loads them from AP. Can somebody explain ?

For most folks using the Previews is pefectly good. And bearing in mind what Facebook will do to the shots there’s no doubt that the Previews will be perfectly adequate.
You can set the quality of the Previews in the Aperture Preferences -> Preview Pane.
If you want to use full size pics then you’ll need to export from Aperture and then import to iPhoto. However, if Facebook is the destination then that’s utterly pointless. From what I’ve seen no matter what you upload they compress the cr*p out of it, strip the metadata and colour management.
Regards
TD

Aperture and iPhoto

I have been following some of the discussion on Aperture and iPhoto. I have not yet purchased Aperture but am seriously considering it. I am attracted to the extensive edits that can be done in Aperture yet I still like the slide show function in iPhoto. It seems that only iPhoto has the one function I would like to use on occasion, the Ken Burns Effect. My questions:
1. If I shoot RAW images (Nikon NEF) can I place edited images from Aperture into the iPhoto slideshow (which I like because of the Ken Burns Effect)? Will I have to convert them to jpeg?
2. If I shoot jpeg images will I have any limits in editing in Aperture, such as highlight and shadow adjustments, dodge and burn adjustments, and white balance adjustments?
3. Is my understanding correct that "camera settings" can only be modified in RAW files and that RAW files can not be used in slide shows?
I would appreciate any assistance to aid my understanding of the interaction iPhoto and Aperture, mainly the slide show features.
WM

1. If I shoot RAW images (Nikon NEF) can I place edited images from Aperture into the iPhoto slideshow (which I like because of the Ken Burns Effect)? Will I have to convert them to jpeg
In the Aperture Preferences there's an option to Share the Previews with iLife and iWork applications. In iPhoto you can go File -> Show Aperture Library and a media browser will open. You can drag the images from the Media Browser to the iPhoto Window and they will be imported. Then you can make your Slideshow.
2. If I shoot jpeg images will I have any limits in editing in Aperture, such as highlight and shadow adjustments, dodge and burn adjustments, and white balance adjustments?
Yes, but not because of Aperture. A jpeg is a compressed file, data has been thrown away to make it. Therefore there's less data to manipulate so the range of effect possible is less. Think of it this way: Draft a paper of 50 pages. Rewrite it down to 10 pages. Now try and have the same range of editing on the 10 page doc as you had on the 50 page doc. Nothing to do with your word processor, just less words to process...
3. Is my understanding correct that "camera settings" can only be modified in RAW files and that RAW files can not be used in slide shows?
I don't know about Camera Settings but the Aperture manual says (pg510) that to make a high quality slideshow be sure to use high resolution previews - which rather suggests that it's the Previews and not the RAWs that are used in the show.
Regards
TD
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Photos into iMovie without using Aperture or iPhoto?

Is there a way of accessing photos to bring into iMovie 08 without having to use Aperture or iPhoto? I use Lightroom (although I have both iPhoto and Aperture) and would rather not create new catalogs of my images.

Is there any way of listing the external drive where the images are located in the "photo" list along with Aperture and iPhoto?
Yes. To add your "Sample Folder" containing photos, just drag it into the "Folders" item of iMovie's photo list. Now you can access its contents like you can the iPhoto list.
Karl

Syncing photos from both aperture AND iphoto

Hi,
I'm a user of iPhoto and Aperture. I use both but for different needs. I used to sync my photos to AppleTV from iPhoto. But now, I would also like to sync from Aperture... It seems that iTunes keeps the settings for both software but can only sync from one at a time... Is there a way to sync photos from both sources at the same time on AppleTV ?
Thx !

Hi,
To keep you informed of my findings...
I decided to export photos from Aperture and iPhoto that I want to be displayed in a folder under the Pictures folder. Then, I ask iTunes to sync photos from that folder instead of Aperture or iPhoto... Seems to work fine so far...

Aperture and iPhoto library deleted

I upgraded my Aperture w/no problem. About one month later, all images in Aperture and iPhoto dissapeared. "Genius Bar" checked, said no problem and didn't have a clue. Bought a Time-Machine backup at store, had a consultant there show me how to set up, but he had a problem as the Airport Utility was gone. He said that was rare and downloaded it. He suggested there could be a connection to all this. I'm afraid to use the iMac. Help? Doing search for images or libraries no good, will show libraries, but with zero files. Tnx. Leif

How did you import your old iPhoto photos? And with what Aperture version?
Before the unified Aperture - iPhoto library has been introduced, it was possible to import an iPhoto library as referenced. This left all originals in the iPhoto library, so iPhoto continued to work, but Aperture could use the master files. Is that the way you imported your iPhoto library, with the master files in there original location?
When trying to e.g. export a file Aperture says 'The selected original image is either offline or not found. Please reconnect it and try again.'.
That is the typical error message, when Aperture cannot access the original files. And Aperture wil not be able to do anything with your images, unless you restore the missing originals.
Just moved my Aperture-library to my new iMac.
Where did you move your Aperture library from ? From an older mac? From a backup?
Did Aperture work on that old Mac and could access the originals?
Do you still have that old mac, and is there any chance that recovery software could retrieve the missing original files on that mac?
Sometimes Aperture reports originals as missing, even if they are managed inside the Aperture library.
You can find out, where Aperture is looking for the original files, if you select some image files in the browser and use Aperture's command "File > Locate Referenced Files".
In the panel that opens, you can see the path to missing files in the upper right corner below the thumbnail.
What do you see, when you use that command?

Do Aperture and iPhoto automatically merge in 3.3?

Because I would really like to keep them separate.
I like to use Aperture for editing and then when I am finished I select a few favourite shots and store them in iPhoto and use it as a sort of quick portfolio if I ever want to look over my favbourite work.
Will upgrading force them to merge or can I continue to keep them separately so I don't have to wade through all the edited files to get to the few I want to show off?
Chris

Because I would really like to keep them separate.
No, the libraries will not merge automatically. But they are now compatible. You can open each iPhoto or Aperture Library in the other Application and work with it. The edits will be seen by the other Application, if you switch to the other one. But you still can keep separate libraries for Aperture and iPhoto. They will not be merged unless you import your iPhoto Libraries into the apertre Library.
This is true for Aperture 3.3. and iPhoto 9.3 and later. You need MacOS 10.7.4 or later.
Regards
Léonie

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