When to apply a camera profile?

The beta profiles are great, but because they're sitting down there in the Calibration panel, I am wondering: is there a persuasive argument for applying them before other adjustments versus at the end of a Develop module top-to-bottom work order? Obviously you get a very different result if you switch profiles after applying, say, Vibrance and Saturation adjustments, than if you choose the profile as a first step.

> I am wondering: is there a persuasive argument for applying them before other adjustments versus at the end of a Develop module top-to-bottom work order?
To be clear, the profiles give you the option of using a different raw rendering, which is cool. But, it's NOT designed to be an image correction tool. It's designed to control the rendering of the colors from the start, ,ore than an alternative correction to be applied after you do a lot of work adjusting an image.
So, if you like a different profile for certain types of images, sure, go ahead and create a series of preset of several profiles and you can easily see which will be optimal, but I really wouldn't use the different profiles as a mainline correction workflow.

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Apply DNG Camera Profile to scan?

I am setting up a workflow to scan and process a large volume of slides. I am scanning with a Nikon LS5000 and Vuescan, outputting as (linear)DNG and then processing in Lightroom.
For me this is efficient as it unifies my digital and analogue workflows. I could also just output a raw tiff (not color corrected), but I like the smaller file size and the embedding of LR settings with DNG.
I have done test scans for which I then created a custom color correction profile in the DNG profile editor. I am very happy with the level of control over color in the profile editor, and would like to use this to apply color correction to batches of scans shot on a particular film type (kodachrome for example). I know these tools are designed to be used with camera raw, but they perform equally well with linear files.
The problem is that as the dng file was not created by a camera, but a scanner (even though the EXIF data shows the LS5000 as 'camera') I can not get the profile to show up in the Camera Calibration/Profile tab in order to apply it to an image.
Questions:
1- Is there any way to force the profile to load anyway? (LR could have an 'other' option in the profile tab)
2- Can I get LR/Profile Editor to consider the LS5000 as a legitimate camera, as opposed to just producing a generic tiff?
3- Can I somehow manually embed my custom profile into a DNG so that the embedded profile is automatically the right one?
Thanks.

I am aware of the issue with the Nef files, as I found out that they are different from Nef camera files and not read by the DNG converter, or anything other than nikon scan.
There are options though in vuescan with any scanner that allow you to disable all adjustments and export as a 'raw' file, either in tiff or dng format. Vuescan is then primarily used to control the hardware. The only processing that is applied to the scan is the calibration (correcting for variations in intensity in the ccd), and optionally IR-dust removal. The important part is that there is no base curve, gamma, and no color adjustment or icc-profile applied. For practical purposes LR could treat it as raw.
As a hamburger it would be very rare and decidedly pink on the inside. The main 'cooking' should ideally be happening in LR by applying the base curve and color adjustments in one action (camera profile + adjustments) as opposed to in two stages (scanner software followed by PS/LR). My objective is to minimize the 'destructive' scanner software step, as I only want to scan once.

Strong colour shift when reselecting Adobe Standard camera profile

I'm having this curious problem with Nikon V1 NEFs (raw files) in Lightroom 4 beta.
In the develop module, Adobe Standard is selected as the default camera profile. If I switch to one of the other profiles (for the V1, the options are Camera Landscape, Neutral, Portrait, Standard, and Vivid) and then switch back to Adobe Standard, I get a strong color shift in the blues, which move towards teal. It looks like a white balance shift, but the white balance settings themselves don't change.
I've attached three screenshots, the first showing an untouched file with Adobe Standard selected as the default profile in the develop module, then with the Camera Vivid profile selected, and then with Adobe Standard reselected. Besides changing the profile, there are no edits on this file: all I've done is import it, put it in a collection, switch to the develop module, select the Camera Vivid profile and then reselect Adobe Standard.
The color shift happens regardless of which camera profile I pick before reslecting Adobe Standard. Interestingly, while the colors are off in the develop module, they're correct in the library module. Switching back and forth between library and develop doesn't fix the problem -- as long as Adobe Standard has been reselected in develop, the colors are off in that module but correct in library. The only way I've found to clear the color shift is to click reset in develop. Select another camera profile, though, and then reselect Adobe Standard and the problem comes right back.

Yes. This is a bug that has been reported/fixed after the public beta build was made ready. Somehow it did not make it to the final public beta release note. The current workaround is to relaunch LR4 or
a) Copy Settings (check all except Calibration),
b) Reset,
c) Paste Settings.
This will invalidate some internal memory cache that went stale.
-Simon

I would like to add a new Canon camera profile to the RAW interface

Hi, I would like to add a new Canon camera profile to the RAW interface.
I have recently installed the new camera profile 'Studio Portrait' which i download from here:
http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/picturestyle/file/studio-portrait.html
When I open up a RAW files in Camera RAW, go to 'Camera Calibration', click on the drop down list called
'Camera Profile' I only see 'Adobe Standard, Faithful etc etc'.
My questions are, can i add the same camera profile i put in my camera, into a folder with in photoshop?
Or is photoshop reading the raw file and only seeing the default camera profiles?
If I could see the new camera profile listed it would help with work flow.
Best
JL-B
Please help, ive not had a good time waiting on the phone and trying to explain this to a live chat, hours have been wasted. Once i know the answer I can get back to the commission.

Are you following this
Apply a camera profile
To apply a camera profile, select it from the Camera Profile pop-up menu in the Camera Calibration tab of the Camera Raw dialog box. The Adobe Standard profile for a camera is named Adobe Standard. Camera Matching profiles include the prefix Camera in the profile name. The Camera Profile pop-up menu displays only profiles for your camera.
If the only profile in the Camera Profilemenu is Embedded, it means that you have selected a TIFF or JPEG image. Adobe Standard and Camera Matching profiles work only with raw images.
Note: If you have selected a raw file and Adobe Standardand Camera Matching profiles do not appear in the Camera Profilepop-up menu, download the latest Camera Raw update.

Setting Camera Profile question

Canon 40D in Lightroom 2.3
While reading the FAQ I noted the statement for the Canon settings:
In general, there are 5 CM profiles per Canon DSLR, one for each of the default Canon Picture Styles. These five Picture Styles are called Standard, Portrait, Landscape, Neutral, and Faithful. The CM profiles will match the Canon Picture Styles with all Canon sliders (i.e., Contrast, Color Balance, and Saturation) set to their default values of 0.
What if the Standard style does NOT have the default setting to value of 0?
If the styles should be at value 0 for Lightroom to apply the profile then the words should say exactly that.
My other query is if including several ISO settings when preparing the specific camera profile.
If the image that is open while preparing the profile and settings to be saved as a camera profile has an ISO 200 then when are other ISO ratings included in the camera profile?
Is the camera profile updated by opening another image with an ISO 400 entering any specific adjustment settings then do the update the camera profile? This routine to be repeated for any other IS0 rating.
The detail of adding these ISO ratings to the camera profile are not specificied at the site I visited
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_camera/camera-defaults.htm
nor do I see it in the FAQ
Appreciate any clarification.
Rose

>What if the Standard style does NOT have the default setting to value of 0?
I guess you are referring to the sliders in Lightroom. The text in that FAQ refers to the settings in your camera that override the picture styles. The sliders in Lightroom need to be at their default settings. Those are NOT zero for a lot of the sliders. The default is 5 for blacks, 25 for contrast, 50 for brightness and the tone curve at medium contrast. Everyting else should be at zero. Using these default settings and a camera-matching profile will yield you a rendering that mimics the in-camera jpeg with the same picture style, provided you do not modify the settings in your camera.
>If the image that is open while preparing the profile and settings to be saved as a camera profile has an ISO 200 then when are other ISO ratings included in the camera profile?
The profiles are ISO independent. The color rendering is independent of the ISO of your camera so there is no need for separate camera profiles at different ISOs. To generate a camera profile, you only need to shoot a single image (actually usually two, one in daylight and one in tungsten light) preferably at the lowest ISO so that noise does not screw up the calibration. There are other things automatically taken care of in Lightroom depending on ISO such as baseline noise reduction.
>The detail of adding these ISO ratings to the camera profile are not specificied at the site I visited http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_camera/camera-defaults.htm
nor do I see it in the FAQ
This page talks about camera defaults. This is something completely different from the camera profile. Camera defaults are simply default Develop settings dependent on which camera your RAW file came off off. These default settings can include the application of a camera matching profile and the defaults can be ISO dependent.

Adobe labs camera profiles

I downloaded camera profiles from Labs.adobe.com . It showed up in CS3 but not in Lightroom 2.0.
How do I get it to show in Lightroom 2.0. ?

Eric,
Has/will the LR team considered:
1. Adding a camera calibration profile drop-down list option in the Quick Develop Panel in the Library, in between the White Balance and Tone Control panes? I was given a tip to make a preset for each profile, which works really nicely in the Develop Module. However, the option of accessing them through the saved preset drop-down list in the Library Module is cumbersome when you have as many presets that I have (over a hundred and counting).
2. Moving the Camera Calibration panel between the White Balance and Tone Control panes in the Develop Module? It seems that it is better to apply the camera profile settings before working on tone settings.
3. Updating the r-click and saved preset menus to include something along the lines of Presets>Preset Folders>Preset List? As mentioned earlier, I have over a hundred presets. When you have more than forty-two, you have to scroll up and down the list to find the preset you want to apply. It would be really nice if you opened the list, hovered over the word presets in the menu list, hovered over the folder that would contain the preset you want, then choose the preset.
BTW, a tip of the hat to the LR team. LR2 is something to be proud of. Thanks for making it available.
Regards, JML

Camera Profiles gone in Camera Raw 6.2

I recently updated my camera raw in Photoshop CS5 (Win 7 64 bit) to 6.2. I noticed this evening that my camera profiles are missing. Even if I open a raw file that I had previously edited. The only option under camera profiles is "Matrix". I used to have portrait, landscape...etc. etc.
I would go back to 6.1 but am unable to go back...not sure how. It just fails. Any suggestions? Tried resetting to camera raw defaults...didn't change anything.

I am having a similar problem. Have Windows7, CS5 and LR3, even before this last update to Raw 6.3 I can not access any camera profiles. When opening an image in Camera Raw it has my camera name at the very top (Says Camera RAw 6.3 - Sony DSLR-A550, and under the image it has the file number .dng); but when I go to camera profiles the only option is 'Adobe Standard'. I am new to this so maybe that is all there is; I'd just think that if there is a drop down box offered, there would be something to choose from.
I want to eventually create a custom profile for my camera.
I have tried downloading the updater and re-running it.
Also if I go to the ProgramData>Adobe>CameraRaw>CameraProfiles My camera is in the Adobe Standard Folder, but not the Camera folder. Camera folder has only some Canons, Nikons and a few Pentax.
It could be that everything is as it should be, I don't know.

Histogram inconsistencies with Camera profiles - Camera Raw

Hi,
I've been going nuts with this issue for a year now since Adobe released the camera profiles for Camera Raw. Something tells me this shouldn't be happening.
Well exposed pictures taken with the D300 show an inconsistent histogram in camera raw when using the Adobe camera profiles for the D300.
This is a shame because I prefer the colour rendering of the camera profiles to that of the adobe standard profile.
This is the problem:
With the D300 I get a correct histogram in Camera Raw only if I choose the ACR 4.4 or the Adobe Standard profile. By correct I mean with black and white points filled to the edge of the histogram.
If I choose the camera neutral, standard, portrait or vivid suddenly there's an empty area in the histogram's blacks. Effectively the black point has been shifted quite a bit and I need to push up the slider for blacks up to 30 or so to get the black point back to the right place. While with Adobe standard the blacks are correct at 0 or so. Check out the pics here below.
Is this normal behaviour, or is there something wrong in my settings?

Nice pic of brain Bill. Still, I would take it without any harsh light and rather use longer exposure with tripod. You can see some sort of light source in left bottom part of brain. I assume it was a flash gun or above by lamp. Then you may get much better result ;-)
Thanks. The shot was taken using the Nikon R1C1 closeup flash unit using the diffusers to help eliminate glare. With such specular sources, one must adjust the light sources carefully to avoid glare, but the only sure way to eliminate the glare is to use crossed polarizing filters. Still, the subject is short scale and one must set the white and black points.
Now, to discuss your posted shots. If anything, your posts confirm my initial assertion, since you are correcting post processing and not by changing exposure in the camera. The corrected images are from the same raw expsosures with postprocessing. By the way, if you post your screen shots as PNG, you will eliminate the artifacts around the text.
I put some links of images to explain my point since we still talk about something else. (cannot insert pics via adobe).
http://hajes.org/img/acr/cairngorn.jpg
Brilliant example of screwed up "I have been there" photography. Exposed not very well and at worst light possible. Must go there once again and fix my incompetence.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/cairngorn2.jpg
Cairngorn is short scale because of atmospheric haze. There is no way to correct that with in camera exposure, but you could have exposed more to the right. Nonetheless, you have captured the whole dynamic range of the scene and exposing to the right would only improve the signal:noise. You had to use the exposure and black slider to set the white and black points, which only confirms what I said in my previious posts.
somehow "fixed" previous image. just for fun and learn PS CS4.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad.jpg
overexposed image at first glance by untrained eye.
Hrad is a high dynamic range scene with blown highlights. Your use of the exposure control to bring down the highlights darkens the rest of the image to an undesirable degree. It would have been better to use recovery to tame the highlights. A better approach might be to deveolp for the highlights and shadows separtely and merge the results as shown below. Again the correction is in postprocessing. There would be no way to do that with a camera exposure. The use of +1EV in ACR in HRAD3 only worsens the highlight clipping.
http://imagingpro.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/expanding-the-dynamic-range-of-a-single-raw-fil e/
http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad2.jpg
same image with 1EV extra without of any detail loss. miracle of digital sensors.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad3.jpg
final image. it is just for web, so no bother about burned sky...
http://hajes.org/img/acr/tunka.jpg
again, overexposed image at first glance by untrained eye. we don't care about clipped shell in the left middle of image. it is not main interest of pic...
http://hajes.org/img/acr/tunka2.jpg
..and we again get 0.50EV extra which corrects clipping.
I don't see any evidence of overexposure. The highlights are well short of clipping and the shot is grossly underexposed--not exposed sufficiently to the right. Nonetheless, the full dynamic range of the short scale scene has been captured and the shadows are well above clipping.
In case some will wonder about weird setting of ACR. It is just for web and I still don't know all tricks of PS. Furthermore, I prefer to spend time in nature rather than in front of computer.
The settings of ACR are indeed wierd. Thomas Knoll recommends setting the highlights with the expsoure slider and the midtones with brightness. An alternative way of doing this, introduced with Lightroom, would be to set the midtones with exposure and control the highlights with recovery. A black point setting would likely be required as well. Again, no way to do that with an in camera expsoure, validating my previous assertion.

Set Camera Profile with a Preset?

I am shooting tethered with a Nikon D700 and I want to apply a camera profile (Nikon D700 Landscape) to each image as it is captured. While tethered, I know how to assign a Preset, what I don't know is how to assign a camera profile to a preset? Thoughts?

You can also fire one shot, then set the profile, then choose 'Same as Previous' from the preset list.

When I attempt to apply a lens profile in the Develop module the only choices are for the Fujifilm X100/S/T even though in the Library module the EXIF data correctly shows the camera as the X-T1 and the precise lens used to take the picture. How do I get

When I attempt to apply a lens profile in the Develop module the only choices are for the Fujifilm X100/S/T even though in the Library module the EXIF data correctly shows the camera as the X-T1 and the precise lens used to take the picture. How do I get the right profile available?

First, the required profile needs to be present. LR 5.4 supports the X-T1 in terms of understanding its Raw format, but will not come with a profile for every lens which can be mounted onto that.
A profile is made for each specific lens, as mounted on a certain camera. It can also be used with pictures taken on a different (reasonably similar) camera body than the one originally used during profiling. This is subject to the sensor format: you can employ a given lens profile made for full frame, on an image from a crop sensor behind the same lens - but not vice versa.
Next, the image type needs to correspond to the image type which has been built into the profile: Raw, or non-Raw.
Lightroom offers only profiles of the right type for the image(s) concerned. There are many more provided for correcting camera Raw, than for correcting camera JPG. That is also the case with additional profiles, e.g. those accessed via the Adobe lens profile downloader utility.
Finally, in the event that there simply is no profile out there for a given lens, it is not particularly difficult (though a little tedious) for the end user to generate one, using a further Adobe utility which is downloadable as a package, including a range of checkerboard calibration targets, each of which needs to be printed at a stated physical size.

How/when are Camera Profiles applied?

I am trying to understand Camera Profiles and how they fit into the RAW conversion process.
Are Camera Profiles applied to the RAW data prior to demosaicing or to the initial RGB values after demosaicing?
In either case, it seems that the ultimate results which one gets with a specific camera and profile are going to
potentially differ based on the software that is eventually used for the demosaicing. Is this correct or am I totally
missing something basic here?
Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

> Which is different than for making DNG Profiles...
I had to put it more precisely, it takes also a specific process to make ICC/ICM camera profile that will work w/ the specific raw converter... I did not mean that it will be exactly the same process as for DNG as you will be using different software at least...

Image Change When Transferred from Lightroom to PS (?Camera Profile)

I am having difficulty that I think is related to Camera RAW that I hope I can get some help with.
I updated to v7.2 today, but I think the problem started today before the update. I get the image looking great in Lightroom and then either send to Edit in PS or to Open as Smart Object in PS (it doesn't matter, same results) and the image looks awful. If I open the smart object in PS it opens in Camera RAW and when I look at all the Camera RAW settings they are all exactly the same as the Lightroom 4.2 settings until I get down to the camera calibration settings. In Lightroom it is set to Process 2012 with Adobe Standard as the profile. In Camera RAW it is Process 2012 but the profile is simply listed as 'Matrix' with no other choices available in the drop down. In Lightroom, Adobe Standard and all the camera profiles are available for what I am shooting with, a Canon 5D MKII which I have used for years. As recently as a day or two ago I did not have this problem (though I never looked to see what the Camera Raw profile was when it was coming over to PS correctly), though I suspect it may be the source of the problem since all the other settings are identical
Any help would be very appreciated as I can no longer work with images until this is corrected.
Thanks very much,
Howard

Perhaps this is a clue to the problem? If I go to Program Data>Adobe>Camera RAW> Camera Profiles > there is a folder called Camera and another Adobe Standard. Within the Adobe Standard Folder are Adobe Standard files for multiple cameras including the Canon 5D MKIII, but inexplicably there is not one for the MKII. Likewise, the Camera folder contains folders labeled with different cameras. There is a folder for the Canon 5D MKIII that contains the profiles (neutral, landscape etc) but there is NO folder for the 5d MKII. What gives here? Is this the problem? If so how does one fix it?
Howard

Apply camera profile

I've imported over 2000 pics into the catalog and I noticed all of them were applied with the Adobe Standard camera profile, is there a way to change this in a single step? It's impossible for me to change the settings one by one. I tried 'copy and paste settings' but it didn't work because camera profile is not included in the copy action.
In addition, how do I set the default camera profile so that future imports will also opened with my camera profile?
Thanks,
ST

It's included under the Camera Calibration section.
You should be able to use Copy/paste or Sync Settings.
I've imported over 2000 pics into the catalog and I noticed all of them were
applied with the Adobe Standard camera profile, is there a way to change this
in a single step? It's impossible for me to change the settings one by one.
I tried 'copy and paste settings' but it didn't work because camera profile is
not included in the copy action.
In addition, how do I set the default camera profile so that future imports
will also opened with my camera profile?

Photoshop document with smart objects changed when I apply color profile. Why?

I work in Photoshop with smart objects. When I apply color profile smart object are changed. For example change filter or change size. I dont now why?
See image

Yes, fortunately, I am a Windows user, but I don't want to start a religious war here And it is also possible to run multiple versions of Adobe products simultaneously under Windows - why shouldn't that be possible? Currently I have CS3 and CS4 and somtimes use CS3 when CS4 is just too buggy to get the job done. Before that I had CS and CS2 on the same machine.
But I wouldn't keep all versions back to PS 6.0 or CS, that would be a bit too chaotic and I'd had to spend days of installing if I get a new computer. I expect those programs to be a little bit backwards-compatible, so I don't have to use many different versions. And for Photoshop, this is mostly the case. It's just very tiny details like Smart Object resizing that seems to work differently.
Otherwise I'm really happy that in CS4 I can finally link Masks to smart objects and apply warp and perspective on them, that's a big plus!

Elements 13 install stops when I have 99% of camera profiles installed. I can't get farther then this. I have installed a trial version satisfactory

elements 13 install stops when I have 99% of camera profiles installed. I can't get farther then this. I have installed a trial version satisfactory

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