Will Leopard be installed on new Mac Pros?

I plan on purchasing an 8-core, pretty much any day now.
If I wait 2 weeks, will a new 8-core purchase have Leopard installed? Do I want it to?

Nathan,
I was forced into an emergency transition from a G5 to my Mac Pro 8 Core. While no data was lost (power problem and not hard drive related) I had no time to deactivate any pro apps. My apps that most concerned me were Photoshop CS3 and Final Cut Studio. In both cases, and nearly all others, I thought (and had corroborating advice) it best to install each application freshly, and make no use of the Migration Assistant to move applications. Data was transferred w/o the Migration Assistant, simply by placing the hard drives from the G5 into the Mac Pro, and doing transfers in the Finder.
Since Logic (which I have not used) is UB, you have the choice to simply install it onto the Mac Pro either while it boots on Tiger, or if running on Leopard.
I think you could easily transition directly to Leopard, and skip running Tiger ever on the Mac Pro. However, I will be maintaining a boot drive for each, and will want to keep the ability to run in either. If you will still have the G5 to use, that may not be as needed for you.
I have had no shocks on running with the Mac Pro vs G5, but was really careful about the installation of applications. Data transfer was not an issue for me, as it went smoothly. Planning the use of four internal HD has been a fun challenge.
Ernie

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When I provided a link to threads about "Install Vista SP1 DVD" I knew and had in mind a couple threads where people have tried. And trying will help understand.
You don't need to format as NTFS on another PC when just installing MacFuse plus 3G driver extensions will let you do so on your Mac Pro. And that is just one option. There are always multiple ways to get to the same place.
Due to EFI changes there is a tool and tips on how to convert your DVD, but I didn't have time to go back and find and pull those together.
Installing SP1 DVD attempt without success:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1501656
http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/
MS OSCDIMG.exe
Yes, it’s a fairly long process and requires you to download stuff (and be running Windows in the first place) But, it does work as long as you follow the instructions correctly.
Convert DVD to ISO and prepare for EFI booting on Mac
tried rebooting about 10 times. No luck. Finally I pointed Parallels (free trial available) to my blank bootcamp partition and set parallels to boot from CD before HD. Parallels booted the Vista install CD just fine, and put Vista on my HD. Crashed at the end though and said it couldn't make the boot camp partition bootable so all changes were removed. Rebooted under boot camp and the installer came up fine off the CD.
So if you have this problem, and nobody else can help, and if you can find it, maybe you can download..... Parallels. Feel free to post this on the other threads. Unlike other workarounds I'm guessing this will work for everyone and it only takes a free trial download of parallels to give it a try. Still wish apple would acknowledge the problem and post a fix. Can't be that hard.
I think VMWare Fusion also supports vitualization with the bootcamp partition as the target so that may help you get around this install bug in boot camp(or the mac's firmware) too.
I would have thought that with Intel and Microsoft both saying they would begin to support UEFI with Vista SP1 64-bit, and Apple is part of the EFI Group, that "we're different" was a thing of the past. Instead it is harder.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/sp1.mspx
Remember, Google is your friend (usually) - "Apple Vista SP1 64-bit DVD Install":
MacBook Pro Vista SP1 64-bit Install:
http://andersonshatch.wordpress.com/tag/vista-64-bit/
Oh, and while I read Apple KB changes daily, I have never seen anything address Vista SP1 64-bit install, support, etc mentioned once. Am I missing something? or is it MIA?

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All true, however, FCS 2009 (aka FCS 3) does run with the current OSX (10.8.4) which is two full versions beyond the last supported one (10.6.8).
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x

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Hi, we need to upgrade and older G4 running OSX Server 10.4.11 and just want to make sure that the OS will run decent on a new Mac Pro machine. Does this work, or do you have to upgrade to 10.5?
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Another potential option is to get the current box serviced; refurbished, as it may.
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And I agree it would definitely make most sense to wait until Snow Leopard was available to upgrade, I just don't know if our server is going to last that long...
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I did see something in the Snow Leopard documentation about an easy to use migration application for the upgrade. This would probably be very helpful if it worked well. Did Leopard have something similar?
I've had a successful upgrade from Tiger Server to Leopard Server, but in more recent times I tend to reinstall stuff rather than the upgrade. Cruft tends to build up over the years. Sometimes an upgrade blows up. I utilize a "warm standby" server to allow me to test the upgrades and updates before I go into production.

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Does anyone know if a new Mac Pro needs to come out soon?

Hey everybody..
I'm using mac pro from 2007 and i want to replace it for a new one.
everytime i bought a mac product, 2-3 months after a newer came out (it was like that with my macbook pro, iPhone 1,3,3gs,4s, iPad2).
I guess all i want is to know if apple will ever put out a new mac pro?
is it still apple's flagship?
I don't want to buy mac pro as it is because a lot of new technology is missing, like usb 3, thunderbolt, HDMI ect.
I thing apple didn't came out with new mac pro from 2009.
Please Help,
Niv

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And there are the constant where is TB threads.
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Well, they're out and on the AppleStore and I have about £2800 burning a hole in my pocket...
My question is, for that money I can configure either an 8-core machine running at 2.26GHz, or a quad-core running at 2.93GHz. Can anyone tell me which route is likely to be better for running Logic with lots of tasty plug-ins? I've budgeted for 8Gb of RAM and a second hard drive for sample data, so it's just the processor(s) left to decide on.
At the moment I'm running it on a 1.83GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro, where it limps along painfully, so I don't really have any experience of how well it utilises extra processing cores. I'd welcome any advice.

Hey MIke I agree that some thought should given to technology 5 years down the road but you are making my point about chasing technology. Its all a guessing game. Look at TVs. Look at phones. Etc.
Technology is moving so fast that you have to just use your gear in the moment and hope for the best.
It is not realistic in 2009 to predict 5 years down the road. Its just a big guess. What about the Mac pros that come out in 2 years. Will they make this years new Mac Pro obsolete? People will be having this same discussion in 2 years? They might not even make a desktop in 5 years. Look at the power of laptops now. Desktop sales are very weak and if this trend continues they will fade. I bought my 8 core almost a year ago and I would have had to wait a year if I chose to chase technolgy. When I bought my Apogee Ensemble I did think to myself that great they will probably release a new Ensemble with more Mic inputs. But I am glad I got it and use it and no worries. We are at the mercy of Apple so they will dictate the future and they arent going to tell consumers their 5 year plan anyway. Ok I will shut up.

Just bought new Mac Pro, will I be able to install my PPC apps?

Hello,
Just ordered a new Mac Pro Dual 2.0 online today. After reading a lot of posts on here, I'm wondering if I made the right decision and should have bought a Dual G5 Quad instead. Will my PPC apps install at all on the new Mac and will they run? I do a lot of audio work and I'm already noticing that there is a pretty long wait with the UB updates. Not really looking forward toward the hassle of updating everything all over again...Do you think the MP was a better investment than a refurbished G5 Quad? I assume I'll be able to install Logic Pro from my 7.0 DVD's and then upgrade to 7.2 or does it not work this way? I'm hoping that the upgrade to Logic 7.2 is not a paid upgrade. Since I just bought online yesterday, do you think they'd let me cancel before shipping?
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Classic Environment, and subsequently any Mac OS 9 or earlier applications
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Want new Mac Pro With Snow Leopard

I am after a new Mac Pro with Snow Leopard.
I understand that some of the newer Mac Pros can have Snow Leopard installed. Some tell me that in the recent past Apple made a change that made installation of Snow Leopard difficult or impossible on a Mac Pro.
Does anyone know with a reasonable degree of certainty how to tell if a given Mac Pro can have Snow Leopard installed?
I called Apple about a refurbished Mac Pro, they don't know what operating system it will come with! And they don't know if it will include OS installation disks.

For what it is worth, I recently went through this drama.
Well, it's worth a lot!
it is theoretically possible for Apple to modify the firmware to prevent Snow from booting, but my experience is that this has not happened yet.
How long ago did you purchase your Mac Pro? (I miss the old days, when users would modify their own firmware.)
See if you can buy from a seller who will let you test this out. There are some nice retailers out there, especially when you are dropping $1000s on a new Mac Pro.
I've been looking for a while now, Mac Pro sellers that have Snow Leopard know how valuable there machines are. There are no bargains if you want snow leopard.
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See if you can buy from a seller who will let you test this out.
Why not Apple? They have a 15 Day return policy. When I called Apple recently the person I spoke to suggested this.

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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/27987.html
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Instead of going to the extra work of developing drivers for new hardware compatible with an older OS, Apple devotes their time to making a new OS release compatible with older hardware. I think that's a bigger benefit for most of us.
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Melanie Dupre wrote:
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