Windows 8.1? DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT

So!
Since getting my S440 laptop back in Septe,mber, I've been holding off the 8.1 upgrade. Until this weekend...
WHAT A MISTAKE!!!!
Some issues:
1) Laptop would not perform a standard re-start
2) On boot-up a pop-up would display saying Catalyst has crashed
3) Unable to install a newer version of VirtualBox (previous ones instaled fine under Windows 8
4) The IWD Bus Enumerator was reported as an error
(Some knowledge article advises to delete the "duplicate") - Really??? Do I have to?
Its taken me another day and a half to back-up key files, restore back to factory settings and re-install my apps.
Its been such a waste of time, It does make me wonder why in 2014 we can't get a simplified PC laptop. Instead we have microsoft, Lenovo, AMD, Intel etc etc each with their own little component and drivers and everything thta goes with it...
Its no wonder why people STILL get frustrated with PCs and the PC industry still shows itself up as a "techie" industry..
There seems to be very little interest in true co-operation between the parties and the focus is all about on shifting units and slam the next iteration out of the door...
People should not need to uninstall drivers first before running an upgrade, or delete system settings from Device Manage because somehow the upgrade caused a duplicate entry.... . Its madness...!!!!
Why can't Lemovo push down a small app to check the compatibility of its own equipment though the Lenovo Solution Centre or whatever its called. Or have a package that will clean up any rubbish / buggy Windows 8.1 upgrades that Microsoft can't be bothered to fix?
To anyone reading this and thinking to upgrade to Windows 8.1 on a Lenovo laptop - then save yourself some time and sanity and don't bother... (there might be other vendors in the same boat).
Until the above mentioned groups get their act together and provide a seamless, consistent way to upgrade then PCs will always be seen as the cross that we must be burdened with.. Its funny but had Lenovo themselves got an S440 off the shelf, ran all the updates possible and try and upgrade to 8.1 they'd see the problems for themselves.
What a shame.... Such a well built and very good product, let down by the software and drivers and companies that operate in their own silos.... It does make a strong argument for the likes of walled-garden systems.
Mark.....

It's frustration....
As I mentioned the S440 is a very very good laptop and meets all my requirements for a small business laptop.
It just seems to me that an upgrade is still a hit-or-miss affair.
Years ago I'd have the time and patience to diagnose each error and search the boards and try things out, but
whether its old age, I just want things to work...
I don't think it's being unreasonable... But four major issues? - I was very surprised. Perhaps my "setup" was one of the unlucky ones.... It does beg the question the purpose / benefit of the Solution Centre. ?

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Mads Meskalin wrote:
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First, be aware that you probably do not have unlimited data on your phone. In addition, using your phone as a data modem for your computer requires a seperate data account.
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