CS3 ie6 css riddle, vertical menu

Hello all,
I made a site about 12-18 months ago in CS3, and have
recently come back to it to add some extra items.
http://www.samenscheiden.info
I changed one or two simple things in the site CSS (left and
top values for one div, and a couple of extra classes) and tested.
All seemed fine in Safari and Firefox, but when I look at it
in IE6 (Win XP, VMware on a Mac) I see some strange things.
3 menu items are underlined (Alles in een, kosten, leesvoer)
Submenus voor "Alles in een" and "Voorstellen" have a border.
Some submeu items are underlined (eg "Alles in een" -
"Mediator") and others aren't.
The submens get a white background colour by mouseover in IE
(not what I want).
I can't find where these inconsistencies are coming from, so
if someone could find the time to look at it for me I'd appreciate
it.
I think the underlined menu items (not submenu items) may
have to do with a link to "#", or a recursive link (eg the FAQ link
on this page -
http://www.samenscheiden.info/faq.html),
but that's as far as I've got.
The site CSS file here:
http://www.samenscheiden.info/scheidingstijl.css
The Spry files are here:
http://www.samenscheiden.info/SpryAssets/SpryMenuBar.js
http://www.samenscheiden.info/SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarVertical.css
Thanks in advance for any help, this is driving me
mental!

Flyout Menus require JavaScript and some IE specific CSS code to work right. You'll find a good cross-browser flyout menu below. Just copy and paste their code into a new HTML document and style it the way you wish.
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/csslibrary/item/suckertree-menu-vertical/
Good luck,
Nancy O.
Alt-Web Design & Publishing
Web | Graphics | Print | Media Specialists
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     border-top-style: none;
     border-right-style: none;
     border-bottom-style: none;
     border-left-style: none;
SUBMENU INDICATION: styles if there is a submenu under a given menu item
/* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
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     background-repeat: no-repeat;
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     font-size: 12px;
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     border-right-style: none;
     border-bottom-style: none;
     border-left-style: none;
/* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
ul.MenuBarVertical a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
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     background-repeat: no-repeat;
     background-position: 95% 50%;
     border-top-style: none;
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     border-bottom-style: none;
     border-left-style: none;
BROWSER HACKS: the hacks below should not be changed unless you are an expert
/* HACK FOR IE: to make sure the sub menus show above form controls, we underlay each submenu with an iframe */
ul.MenuBarVertical iframe
/* HACK FOR IE: to stabilize appearance of menu items; the slash in float is to keep IE 5.0 from parsing */
@media screen, projection
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     f\loat: left;
     background: #FFF;
     width: 160px;
     border-top-style: none;
     border-right-style: none;
     border-bottom-style: none;
     border-left-style: none;

Force vertical menu bar to stay open on loaded pages

I am creating a new site using Dreamweaver CS3, temporarily uploaded at:
http://www.sharpeacademy.co.uk/nick-jackson.co.uk/sharpeacademy/theatrearts/
I have a navigation bar with the usual main tabs and sub tabs. Is it possible to configure this so that each section of the nav menu stays open when any of the pages linked to the sub-menus are selected?
Hope that makes sense!

OK just managed to resolve the ftp issue. Bit tricky as our
old (average) website is still on the same server.
Anyway please check this link.
http://www.klanntools.co.uk/Contact%20Us%20pagehtm.htm
As you can see it works fine in FF but not in IE7. The child
sub menus keep appearing at the top of the vertical menu
bar.

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