2 BRI interfaces back to back
I have 2 bri interfaces, either in one router or in 2 different ones. the first has the following config:
interface BRI1/0
no ip address
isdn switch-type basic-net3
isdn protocol-emulate network
isdn layer1-emulate network
isdn static-tei 0
isdn skipsend-idverify
and on the b1/1:
interface BRI1/1
no ip address
isdn switch-type basic-net3
isdn static-tei 0
and the network side never comes up! I try the user side with the Telco and works fine. I tried all possible commands on both, like overlap-receiving, twait-disable, tei-negotiation, point-to-point-setup etc but still none b1/X ever lights up as green.
Also i tried straight cable and rollover cable, nothing.
Any idea how it can work? or if the PBX can not operate as USER, how can i make the router network?
Thanks, Chris
you will need to connect the BRI to a switch/pbx that provides network termination.
(what is the exact BRI module part number? ie: VIC-2BRI-NT/TE, VIC-2BRI-S/T-TE, VIC2-BRI-NT/TE)
(if your using the VIC-2BRI-S/T-TE, you'll need your PBX to provide network termination)
your commands for isdn protocol and isdn layer1 emulate are correct for emulating network side.
static TEI seems fine if in fact your TEI can be set staticallly. (not sure of your pbx configuration possiblities)
what type of pbx are you attempting to connect the BRI to?
what type of router model are you using?
also, run a 'debug isdn q921' and even a 'debug isdn q931' and provide the output. this should help us help you a bit more.
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IDLE-TIMEOUT IN ISDN BRI INTERFACE
If bri isdn interface is backup by serial interface. Two commands are president for timeout bri interface
one under backup serial interface
1. backup delay 10 30
The other under bri interface
2. dialer idle-timeout 800
My query is when interface serial comes back what will be time bri interface to in the disconnect position 30 or 800.hi
AFAIK ideally the time would be 830 (30+800) coz the traffic will only get diverted back to serial interface after its observed stable for the configured time period which is 30 here.
Once it starts getting the traffic thru main serial interface the dialer interface will become idle..
so it will have to stay upto the timeout period (800 here)configured to get disconnected..
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Isdn bri interface is used as backup by serial interface
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under bri interface following command is also configured
dialer idle-timeout 900
what will be idle timeout of bri interface if serial interface comes back and functional.Hello Jabbar,
this looks like a cisco BCRAN question, here it goes:
the backup delay 10 60 , means that it will take 10 seconds before the secondary link comes up, after the primary goes down, and it will take 60 seconds after the primary goes back up, before the secondary goes down.
dialer idle-timeout 900:
this command indicates how long the call can stay idle before it is disconnected.
from cisco:
"This command is used on lines for which there is no contention. When contention occurs, the dialer fast-idle command is activated. For example, when a busy line is requested to send another packet to a different destination than it is currently connected to, line contention occurs and the dialer fast-idle command is activated.
By default, this command applies to inbound and outbound calls. For example, if a receiving system needs to make outgoing calls, you might configure it with a short idle timeout.
Only packets that match the dialer group reset the idle timer."
So, I guess it would be 900s
HTH,
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Vlad -
No dialer command under ISDN BRI interface
Hi all,
I have a 2901 router voice bundle with 4 ISDN BRI ports and would like to have them bundled under Dialer1 interface. Unfortunately it doesn't give me option for Dialer command under BRI interface as expected.
router(config-if)#int bri0/0/0
router(config-if)#dia
router(config-if)#dia
^
% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
router(config-if)#dialer
^
% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
router(config-if)#
I assume it's down to the UC license installed on the device but not sure. Does the ISDN BRI interface behave in different way under this license?
Pasting portion of "show ver" as well.
Cisco CISCO2901/K9 (revision 1.0) with 479232K/45056K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID
2 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
4 ISDN Basic Rate interfaces
1 terminal line
DRAM configuration is 64 bits wide with parity enabled.
255K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
250880K bytes of ATA System CompactFlash 0 (Read/Write)
License Info:
License UDI:
Device# PID SN
*0 CISCO2901/K9
Technology Package License Information for Module:'c2900'
Technology Technology-package Technology-package
Current Type Next reboot
ipbase ipbasek9 Permanent ipbasek9
security None None None
uc uck9 Permanent uck9
data None None None
Configuration register is 0x2102Hi,
Snippet of "sh ver" with IOS version is below:
router#show ver
Cisco IOS Software, C2900 Software (C2900-UNIVERSALK9-M), Version 15.2(4)M5, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2)
Technical Support: http://www.cisco.com/techsupport
Copyright (c) 1986-2013 by Cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Fri 13-Sep-13 14:59 by prod_rel_team
ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 15.0(1r)M16, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
router uptime is 2 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes
System returned to ROM by reload at 16:48:03 UTC Mon Aug 18 2014
System restarted at 16:50:01 UTC Mon Aug 18 2014
System image file is "flash0:c2900-universalk9-mz.SPA.152-4.M5.bin"
Last reload type: Normal Reload
Last reload reason: Reload Command
The output of trying to type dialer command is in the initial post, I'm also pasting all available commands under bri0/0/0.
router(config-if)#int bri0/0/0
router(config-if)#?
Interface configuration commands:
aaa Authentication, Authorization and Accounting.
access-expression Build a bridge boolean access expression
arp Set arp type (arpa, probe, snap), timeout, log
options or packet priority
authentication Auth Manager Interface Configuration Commands
autodetect Autodetect Encapsulations on Serial interface
bandwidth Set bandwidth informational parameter
bgp-policy Apply policy propagated by bgp community string
bridge-group Transparent bridging interface parameters
carrier-delay Specify delay for interface transitions
cdp CDP interface subcommands
clns CLNS interface subcommands
clock Configure serial interface clock
cwmp Configure CPE WAN Management Protocol(CWMP) on this
interface
dampening Enable event dampening
default Set a command to its defaults
delay Specify interface throughput delay
description Interface specific description
dot1q dot1q interface configuration commands
dot1x Interface Config Commands for IEEE 802.1X
down-when-looped Force looped serial interface down
encapsulation Set encapsulation type for an interface
ethernet Ethernet interface parameters
exit Exit from interface configuration mode
flow-sampler Attach flow sampler to the interface
full-duplex Configure full-duplex operational mode
h323-gateway Configure H323 Gateway
half-duplex Configure half-duplex and related commands
help Description of the interactive help system
history Interface history histograms - 60 second, 60 minute
and 72 hour
hold-queue Set hold queue depth
ip Interface Internet Protocol config commands
iphc-profile Configure IPHC profile
ipv6 IPv6 interface subcommands
isdn ISDN Interface configuration commands
isis IS-IS commands
iso-igrp ISO-IGRP interface subcommands
keepalive Enable keepalive
line-power Provide power on the line.
llc2 LLC2 Interface Subcommands
load-interval Specify interval for load calculation for an
interface
logging Configure logging for interface
loopback Configure internal loopback on an interface
mab MAC Authentication Bypass Interface Config Commands
mac-address Manually set interface MAC address
macro Command macro
metadata Metadata Application
mop DEC MOP server commands
mtu Set the interface Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU)
netbios Use a defined NETBIOS access list or enable
name-caching
network-clock-priority Configure clock source priority
no Negate a command or set its defaults
ntp Configure NTP
ospfv3 OSPFv3 interface commands
pulse-time Force DTR low during resets
rate-limit Rate Limit
redundancy RG redundancy interface config
routing Per-interface routing configuration
sdllc Configure SDLC to LLC2 translation
serial serial interface commands
service-policy Configure CPL Service Policy
shutdown Shutdown the selected interface
smds Modify SMDS parameters
snapshot Configure snapshot support on the interface
snmp Modify SNMP interface parameters
source Get config from another source
tarp TARP interface subcommands
timeout Define timeout values for this interface
topology Configure routing topology on the interface
transmit-interface Assign a transmit interface to a receive-only
interface
trunk-group Configure interface to be in a trunk group
tx-ring-limit Configure PA level transmit ring limit
vpdn Virtual Private Dialup Network
vrf VPN Routing/Forwarding parameters on the interface
waas WAN Optimization
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LMS Prime: Disabling Alterts for BRI Interfaces
Hello,
i revceive a lot of Alerts of BRI Interfaces on a router.
EVENT ID = 000072X
TIME = Tue 08-Nov-2011 16:06:44 CET
STATUS = Active
SEVERITY = Critical
MANAGED OBJECT = 192.168.25.4
MANAGED OBJECT TYPE = Routers
EVENT DESCRIPTION = OperationallyDown::Component=IF-192.168.25.4/36 [BR0/0/0:1];ComponentClass=Interface;ComponentEventCode=1075;AdminStatus=UP;DuplexMode=FULLDUPLEX;OperStatus=DOWN;MaxSpeed=64000;Type=DS0;Mode=NORMAL;IsFlapping=false;InterfaceCode=CODEUNKNOWN;LastChang
NOTIFICATION ORIGINATOR = Fault Management Module
how can i get rid of them?
i already searched in Monitor > Fault Settings > Setup > Threshold Settings
but i didn't found where i can disable Operationally Down messages for certain interfaces.
thanks
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i tried to modify the tpmgr-param.conf file and added this entry IFDescrPattern-.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.1045 *~Bearer Channel*. But still I receive the messages.
#This is an example of how to restrict the creation of ports for a
#specific sysObjectId based on the ifType:
#IFTypePattern-SwitchPort.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.501 53
IFDescrPattern-.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.1045 *~Bearer Channel*
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IFTypePattern-SwitchPort.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.12.3.1.3.411 6|26|56|62|69|117
IFTypePattern-SwitchPort.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.12.3.1.3.442 6|26|56|62|69|117
IFTypePattern-SwitchPort.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.12.3.1.3.612 6|26|56|62|69|117
IFTypePattern-SwitchPort.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.12.3.1.3.719 6|26|56|62|69|117
IFTypePattern-SwitchPort.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.475 6|26|56|62|69|117
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Configuration for bundling two BRI interface together
Can someone provide the ISDN DDR solution for configuring two BRI interface ( Bundled together - MPPP ) for achieving 256K bandwidth. I have two seperate ISDN lines and two BRI interfaces installed in the routers at both the point to point sites. The ISDN dialup shall be used as backup link.
look at this link it will help you:http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk713/tk507/technologies_configuration_example09186a00800a3b7a.shtml
remeber to rate this post if it helps
regards
Devang -
Configuring BRI interface for Voice ( MGCP gateway
hi there,
i have a Call Manager which is connect to Cisco 2800 series acting as MGCP getway. ISDN connection between the 2800 and the carrier ( telestra sydney ). the call manager is seeing the gateway and i have configured a numbering plan on the call manager for the phones. the phones can call internally but externally i dont what configuration i should configure under the BRI interface for the carrier ( telestra ) to recongnise my number plan. please if you have any demo configuration or configuration that has perviously used post to me.this is a basic MGCP config on the Gateway on your area
BRI Switchtype Information
BRIs in Australia require no service profile identifiers (SPIDs).
There are two ISDN switch-types that can be used:
basic-net3?Currently the most commonly used.
basic-ts013?For older ISDN switches such as MicroLink.
isdn switch-type basic-net3 or 5
voice-card 2
dspfarm
dsp services dspfarm
controller T1 2/0
description T1 link to SRST
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clock source internal
linecode b8zs !--- Automatic method automatically adds
cablelength short 133
pri-group timeslots 1-2,24 service mgcp !--- Automatic method
!--- automatically adds 24 channels.
!---You can manually edit channels.
description T1 link to SRST
interface Serial2/0:23
no ip address
isdn switch-type primary-ni !--- Automatic method automatically adds
isdn protocol-emulate network !--- Simulated Lab ISDN
isdn bind-l3 ccm-manager !--- Allows all Q931 to be backhauled over TCP to
!--- CallManager; automatic method automatically adds
no cdp enable !--- Automatic method automatically adds
ccm-manager mgcp
ccm-manager music-on-hold
ccm-manager config server 171.69.103.225
ccm-manager config !--- Enables automatic config download from CallManager
!--- Automatic method automatically adds these commands
mgcp
mgcp call-agent 171.69.103.225 2427 service-type mgcp version 0.1
mgcp dtmf-relay voip codec all mode out-of-band
mgcp rtp unreachable timeout 1000 action notify
mgcp modem passthrough voip mode nse
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Hi
AFAIK there are 2 ways one is considering the isdn connectvitiy as a seperate point to point link and assigining a seperate /30 block for that connectivity or else you can also use ip unnunmbered option and make use of your ethernet ip or the loopback ip.
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regds -
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Hi Guys,
I have a voice gateway with a BRI card on slot 0/3/0 (port 0/1) and I wanted to terminate both WAN and PSNT connection to the same gateway with MGCP protocol, and as I'm new to voice over IP world can anyone suggest/recommand me a proper guide which includes the stepts and proper explanations to acheive this task.
Thank you
Regards,
SuthakarHi Aman,
As discussed please find the attached output as follows,
#sh isdn status
Global ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
%Q.931 is backhauled to CCM MANAGER 0x0003 on DSL 0. Layer 3 output may not apply
ISDN BRI0/0/0 interface
dsl 0, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
L2 Protocol = Q.921 0x0000 L3 Protocol(s) = CCM MANAGER 0x0003
Layer 1 Status:
DEACTIVATED
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Active dsl 0 CCBs = 0
The Free Channel Mask: 0x80000003
%Q.931 is backhauled to CCM MANAGER 0x0003 on DSL 1. Layer 3 output may not apply
ISDN BRI0/0/1 interface
dsl 1, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
L2 Protocol = Q.921 0x0000 L3 Protocol(s) = CCM MANAGER 0x0003
Layer 1 Status:
DEACTIVATED
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Active dsl 1 CCBs = 0
The Free Channel Mask: 0x80000003
ISDN BRI0/3/0 interface
dsl 12, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
Layer 1 Status:
ACTIVE
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Active dsl 12 CCBs = 0
The Free Channel Mask: 0x80000003
%Q.931 is backhauled to CCM MANAGER 0x0003 on DSL 13. Layer 3 output may not apply
ISDN BRI0/3/1 interface
dsl 13, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-net3
L2 Protocol = Q.921 0x0000 L3 Protocol(s) = CCM MANAGER 0x0003
Layer 1 Status:
ACTIVE
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
--More-- Active dsl 13 CCBs = 0
The Free Channel Mask: 0x80000003
Total Allocated ISDN CCBs = 0
#sh ccm-manager
MGCP Domain Name: xxxxx.com
Priority Status Host
============================================================
Primary Registered x.x.x.x
First Backup None
Second Backup None
Current active Call Manager: x.x.x.x
Backhaul/Redundant link port: 2428
Failover Interval: 30 seconds
Keepalive Interval: 15 seconds
Last keepalive sent: 11:10:43 AEDST Nov 21 2013 (elapsed time: 00:00:11)
Last MGCP traffic time: 11:10:43 AEDST Nov 21 2013 (elapsed time: 00:00:11)
Last failover time: None
Last switchback time: None
Switchback mode: Graceful
MGCP Fallback mode: Enabled/OFF
Last MGCP Fallback start time: 05:28:32 AEDST Nov 18 2013
Last MGCP Fallback end time: 11:57:01 AEDST Nov 20 2013
MGCP Download Tones: Disabled
TFTP retry count to shut Ports: 2
Backhaul Link info:
Link Protocol: TCP
Remote Port Number: 2428
Remote IP Address: x.x.x.x
Current Link State: OPEN
Statistics:
Packets recvd: 3
Recv failures: 0
Packets xmitted: 5
Xmit failures: 0
BRI Ports being backhauled:
Slot 0, VIC 0, port 1
Slot 0, VIC 0, port 0
Slot 0, VIC 3, port 1
Configuration Auto-Download Information
=======================================
Current version-id: 1384908973-2cefe363-d1ae-423b-a6ef-a85a0d4216af
Last config-downloaded:00:00:00
Current state: Waiting for commands
Configuration Download statistics:
Download Attempted : 6
Download Successful : 3
Download Failed : 1
TFTP Download Failed : 8428
Configuration Attempted : 3
Configuration Successful : 3
Configuration Failed(Parsing): 0
Configuration Failed(config) : 0
Last config download command: New Registration
FAX mode: disable
Configuration Error History:
Regards,
Suthakar -
i need your support to know model Router with BRI interface
The Cisco 876 (cheapest option) provides ADSL over ISDN
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps380/products_data_sheet0900aecd8028a976.html
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Roll back to standard SAP, after generating a new version for an interface
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Somebody has modified one standard interface, and now a new version has been created with that user name. But, there is no difference between the old SAP version and the current active versioin (he/she has changed nothing). If i go and see the version management it is appearing like this,
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below which i have the standard SAP version like this,
.......................0.00.000. ...................... SAP
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Now i want to revert my interface back to Standard SAP version, although there are no changes between the old and the current version. If i go and see the version management, it should show me only one version that too of standard SAP, like this,
X Active........................... SAP.
THe reason is, some body in future on seeing this interface should not think that this standard interface got changed.
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Thanks in advanceHi ,
This currently seems like a bug , we have encountered this too.
work around is you have to delete the rtf files from server Siebel\client\temp\XMLP directory and upload them again so that they are not cached any more.
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How the **** do I get my old 6.something MAIL app back
I just 'upgraded' from 6.something can't remember it was maybe 6.8, whatever came on my Mac Air 3 years ago. I only upgrades because there is a piece of design software I want to use that won't run on 6. What ever happened to their vaunted backward compatability, how can folks be writing software that won't work on an operating system that is 3 years old? I'm still using my G4 desktop with 4.11. That probably goes back 8 years if I'm guessing right, and I understand it may be a bridge too far but working with software developers to orphan 3 year old machines is not the Mac I once knew.
But I digress .
I had no idea this 'upgrade' was going to screw with Mail and my Address Book. They have ruined the search function in Mail by bringing it under spotlight.
The new appearance is useless. It looks like Gmail which I hate.
All I want is a succinct list view of messages and a dedicated robust search function that easily sets criteria for which fields to look in.
The new version is hopeless. How do I go back. I didn't sign up for new Mail . I DONT WANT IT. I was so happy with my Mac experience, even though the air card on my Air won't connect I've been using it as a desktop machine. And after seeing this new operating system, I don't even want a new Mac computer if I can't get the old MAIL back.
MAybe late to the party here and sorry to fill the question up with observations, but these suppport communities are equally useless to search, have a lousy interface, I can never figure out how to find my own threads nevermind ones where the issue might already have been discussed. Now they have just made the MAIL application as bad as their support forum.
Thanks,
BrianBee,
thanks for that. I never have a clue when 'preferences' will be useful anymore. I went to the spotlight preferences to try to fix the case sensitivity problem or figure out where you can now chose which field to restrict the search to in mail, and instead the only preferences they offer is how much gobbledy gook to search at once as if the default is likely to be every kind of file and its content in the computer. That is the least likely search and their dogged adherence to the idea that this is what people want put me off spotlight from the moment they introduced it.
And, silly me, my intuition when I didn't like the View was to look under the View menu. And then go to the help menu and put in "view" in the search which, for reasons only apple knows does not bring up matches for "viewing" which would have lead me to the correct answer - not only available in the preferences route but also located under Window>Viewing. I don't get it, I don't know whay they would restrict a search in the help field to exclude the same word with a different ending, but when I search in my address book they have started adding snippets so if I search for "Rose" I'll get the name "Ambrose" and they put Ambrose and anything else they find that is alphabetically in front of Rose first, pushing what I really want hopelessly down the list. This is as bad as phone searches when I search for Rose and get a bunch of florists. That's fine, but give me anything that begins with Rose first instead of hopelessly buried hundreds of results down because of "AAA florist" and the like.
Good search isn't about this unlimited access to your whole computer and treating everything the same. Rather its about restriction. Searches with the most subtle and effective restrictions are where its at and apple seems to moving the wrong direction. This is why MAILs old search function worked so much better in my opinion, because all the stupid cellphone style searches for these that to search your mail (and the internet at the same time half the time) but offer no restrictions are a waste of my effort trying to use useless touch screens to put in search indecies.
In this vein, and most unfortunately, changing to classic view did not bring up the classic search restrictors. I get the search restriction bar, but it only offers choices amongst my mail boxeswhich simply duplices the choices I can make in the vertical pane on the left. This bar used to be where you would get your field restrictions, i.e. entire message, subject, from , to.
And then case sensitivity setting used to show up in a bar at the bottom.
None of that stuff shows up. The so called "help" delivered with these apps says you can click an arrow to get those choices, but it doesn't say where the arrow is. I ca't find it. Why do I have to click an arrow. What happened to the restrictor bar.
It is hard to calm down after I had a three month nightmare to get this 'upgrade' in the first place and the only thing it tells you about itself is you can used two fingers to scroll which is the least important feature Mac has ever developed for me. If, instead, a dialogue box pops up telling you how to revert if you don't like it, or if they think that telegraphs lack of belief in their new product, how about a dialogue box asking whether you are conservative user who doesn't like interface changes, etc. and then deliver settings accordingly instead of forcing you into their horrible google like regime and you having to pick your way through the minefields to get as much of your old useful interface back.
It is of course great that folks like you will take the time to reply and that is the least exasperating and most hopeful part of this, although I would think that this is a place where apple would value feedback and mine is emphatically, go backwards. The old MAIL and most importantly the old MAIL search distinguished Mac for me. It was the most useful, fastest, functional mail reader and they should leave it alone.
Yeah, I have a couple ideas like you ought to be able to set defaults for the inbox and the outbox so that it always searches the from field in the inbox and the to field in the outbox as the default and then you can change from there. but I never even bothered to voice that thought because, whenever they mess with something decent, they usually make it worse. And having to click the field restriction was a small penalty to pay for their lack of foresight in that area.
I search those from and to fields, respectively to inbox and outbox, more than any other and then subject is my next most searched field. Instead they deliver a search engine whose default is entire message and no way to restrict it. I've got 60,000 messages that I regularly search and they have just torpedoed a big advantage. But what's worse, they did it because they have created some kind of incompatability between 6 and 7 that caused me to have to 'upgrade' in the first place.
I think this attitude, that whatever apple comes up with will be the next great thing has overtaken their support of earlier apple platforms and backward compatability that assured you that when you decided to buy apple products you weren't going to be orphaned. The mindset is more forcing you into their newer lines and designs. We already pay a premium to buy mac products and I justfiy that because I'm going to get twice or three times the life out of the computer that I will out of an IBM. But if they aren't supporting and encouraging software support to continue for their line long enough for me to get those extra years and they keep diminishing my operating experience, then paying the premium doesn't make any sense. I'm grossly disappointed because I've been Mac since 1984 and they are trying their level best to alienate me -- and succeeding.
Calm folks like you are their best weapon to keep folks like me on this platform and I do appreciate your response, but it is hard to calm down.
Brian
Brian -
I have Vista for an OS, I was running Foxfire 3.4 when it started to freeze after opening the internet the first time and forced me to open the internet again to have function. The first one could not be interacted with at all, not even to close it.
I loaded Foxfire 4 and now can not even understand the layout. Nothing makes any sense at all. Where are all the normal features? Where do my open in new tab s go and how the hell do I get to them? I am too frustrated to even accept the new interface. I want the old interface back.There's a couple of ways to get through to the authorisation controls in the 11.0.x versions.
The control is still in the Store menu, but first (if you're using iTunes versions 11.0.x) you might need to bring up the menu bar to see the Store menu.
If you're using 11.0.x, click on the wee boxy icon up in the top-left corner of your iTunes to see the "Show Menu Bar" control, as per the following screenshot:
Then you'll find the control in the Store menu:
Alternatively, if you don't want to bring up the menu bar, it's still possible to get into the authorise controls via nested menus accessible from the wee boxy icon. Here's a screenshot of where to find them:
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