2400+ or 2600+(333)

Hi
Considering I can buy the 2400+ for £100 and the 2600+(333) for nearer £200.
I ask this question.......
Will I be able to unlock the 2400+ and gain enough of an overclock not to need buying a 2600+?
Don't say go for a 2100+ T-bred B cos my supplier doesn't do them.
I am looking for about 2250-2350 mhz.
Is this possible without a voltage mod?
If not what's the highest I can achieve without it?
I have the KT3 Ultra and 512mb PC2700 Ram.
And I am buying the Qtec 550w PSU.
Also is anyone running a Zalman Flower on a 2400+ or 2600+??
I have my 1700+ Palamino at 166FSB and my CPU temp is 35-45`c.
Cheers
Fozzee

hi,
well ive just bought a amdxp2400 and i overclocked it to 2.5 gig with my ASUS mobo, however i have also just bought a MSI KT4V mobo and i wont work properly as every time i switch on the pc it hangs, i have to clear the jumper bios then reboot and go into setup to change it from its default xp1800 and then it will play until the next time i restart the pc and it does it again.
so be careful what mobo you buy
aidy
by the way if you have any ideas why my machine is doing this then please post a note
sys
AMD XP2400
KT4V mobo
ATI 8500 570mhz
40 gig 7200
512 ddr 2100
1 mb broadband
18.1 Mitac tft
all the best

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Per top of the board “stickys” I have read a great number of the post on this board and done my homework to provide as much technical info to help you help me. This should explain some of it’s lengthy nature.
Aside from Memory, HDD and Video card every thing else has been unplugged from board and power or stripped out of slots to isolate the problem.
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*As seen on face of MoBo: KT4V MS-6712 Ver:10A
*The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
K7, KT400. 5.1 chnl. S/W Audio, LAN, D-Bracket 2.
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Q334763K40034 AQYHA 0447APMW
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OPGA Organic Pin Grid Array 1.50 Volt max. Temp. 85°C
512 KB L2 Cache 333 MHz System bus (166 MHz FSB) x 12.5
Memory: x3- PC 2700 512 mb DDR 333 Super Talent
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•   Then I selected and flashed A6712 V 1.7 122602, boots and runs Win.XP-sp2 at FSB 100MHz & 133MHZ. (MSI:” Supports AMD Barton XP2800+ (FSB333) CPU
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•   Now running: A6712vms.1B0 – MSI hid this BIOS V. found here:
•   http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=362&kind=1
•    On a different page than the 2 versions mentioned above. http://www.msicomputer.com/support/bios_result.asp
•    No wonder people are frustrated and confused about different MoBo versions there ID #’s and the BIOS versions them selves as seen on this news board. MSI’s fault, no fault of anyone here trying to help.
A6712vms.1B0
Runs fine at FSB 100 (shows as XP 1250+) and FSB 133 (shows as XP 2200+) Booting to Win. XP-sp2 on CMOS, default setup other than minor tweaks to accommodate MSI Ti 4200 AGP 8X 125mb graphics card or Gilmond PCI card. But which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz .
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Btw: I have looked for clear evidence through the not so specific descriptions MSI uses to separate these board model #s and may be part of my current problem with correct board ID = correct BIOS ID.
Found here:
[VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=6090.0
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And a very similar version of this on Official MSI site. Both seem to try and make a difference between modles with on board Lan, and Blue Tooth ready.
Take a look at my original box sticker:
*As seen on face of MoBo: KT4V MS-6712 Ver:10A
*The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
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Just saw this: Latest Official BIOS : KT4 MS-6590 (1.4), KT4V MS-6712 (1.8 ) , KT4M MS-6596 (1.1)>>Here: [VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
« on: 24 October 02, 05:14:04 » But these links and all but one link in this ‘sticky’ are broken .
So if (1.8) is the Latest Official BIOS for KT4V MS-6712 then what is this at the Official MSI SITE ?
KT4V
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
485KB
Version
1.C     Update date
Update Description   -Support Sempron L2 512K 3000+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Size
Version
1.B     Update date
2004-8-9
Update Description   Support Sempron 2200+/2300+/2400+/2500+/2600+/2800+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
485Kb Version
1.A     Update date
2004-5-13
Update Description   - System is unstable to run 3DMark03 with ATI 9600 PRO
- Add "PS/2 Keyboard Detection" Function.
- Support AMD 2400+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
514KB
Version
1.9     Update date
2003-7-29
Update Description   -Fixed Adaptec 2100S SCSI card cannot be used
-Modify CPU temperature detection
-Support boot from Onboard LAN
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
514KB
Version
1.8     Update date
2003-2-12
Update Description   -Support AMD Barton XP3000+ (FSB333) CPU
-Add "CPU Halt Command Detection" item in the BIOS Setup
Please also keep in mind I’m not trying to scuff anyone’s shoes…I just want to get what’s right for my board so that it and the CPU can live up to their full, "as advertised" potential and run with the other 3 big dogs under my desk.
This seems descriptive enough and rather lengthy. Just doing my homework and reporting my findings so I won’t include actual CMOS settings unless requested. I have notes on all settings I currently use to boot with this problem.
Other Dogs:
ASUS A7N8X-D running Athlon XP 3000 barton core 10 (runs fsb 400..whoknew?), Mem:2.5gb Super Talent
ASUS A7M266-D running Athlon XP 2800 (mp), Mem: 3gb Super Talent
Athlon XP 2800 (mp)
I don’t want to boar you with the details.
Yes, and the above have been upgraded w/new chips GFX cards and BIOS,,, NP.
Cut to sound track: Down on the BIOS again,,, wasn’t that Creedance Clear Water Revival?
Any suggestions or insights are much appreciated.

Welcome, and thank you for a thorough input! Hope I don't miss something you already said!
Quick version: Try setting processor voltage to 1,5 volt.
Long version:
Posting at wrong FSB can be put down to two things:
1 The processor isn't what you thought it is, but I think you eliminated that.
2 The system cannot run the processor at the correct speed. Mainly this has to with overheating, and/or that memory and processor cannot cooperate. This must be it, as you noticed the processor is correctly recognised.
You have little connected right? Then the best thing would be to pull power cable out. Take the motherboard and redo the seating of the processor, this is much better done with motherboard taken out.
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http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Q4eIa6OhudcJ:forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t47487.html+AXDL2800DLV4D+problem&hl=sv&gl=se&ct=clnk&cd=1

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The Approach
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Which Codes Mean What
To make this easy, what you need to know is listed by processor speed.
The OPN information is printed somewhere on every AMD CPU. For all Palominos, if you're looking at one, the OPN is the first code printed on the core of the CPU located in the middle of the processor. For all Thoroughbreds, the OPN the first code printed on the black area on one edge of the CPU.
This information is based on current AMD datasheets, which are subject to change. We'll update as needed.
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AX1700DMT3C: Voltage
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AX1700DMT3C: FSB Speed
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Voltage
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U: 1.60V
K: 1.65V
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T: 90C
V: 85C
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C: 266MHz
D: 333MHz
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Update 12/10/02: A certain website did note a misspelling of the word "Thoroughbred," and I've corrected based on that. Thanks for catching it!
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TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1700DLT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.
TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1700DUT3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.
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Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX1800DMT3C, that's a Palomino.
TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1800DLT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.
TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1800DUT3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.
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Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX1900DMT3C, that's a Palomino.
TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1900DLT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.
TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA1900DUT3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.
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Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX2000DMT3C, that's a Palomino.
TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DKT3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.
TBredA/B: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DUT3C, that could be either a Thoroughbred A or Thoroughbred B. The only way to distinguish between the two is by the stepping code.
All TBredAs have a stepping code which ends in "A," like "AIUGA." All TBredBs have a stepping code which ends in "B," like "AIUGB."
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2100+
Palominos: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AX2100DMT3C, that's a Palomino.
TBredA/B: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2000DUT3C, that could be either a Thoroughbred A or Thoroughbred B.
All TBredAs have a stepping code which ends in "A," like "AIUGA." All TBredBs have a stepping code which ends in "B," like "AIUGB."
2200+
TBredA: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2200DKV3C, that's a Thoroughbred A.
TBredB: If the website you're ordering from shows an order code of AXDA2200DUV3C, that's a Thoroughbred B.
2400+
Sorry, no exciting choices here (yet). They're all TBredBs, and they'll have an order code of AXDA2400DKV3C.
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These are all TBredBs, too, but just in case "which one I am getting" is getting old, the 2600+ gives you a new, different challenge: What Speed Am I Getting? There will be two 2600+s, but they'll run at different speeds. Since the 333MHz bus helps performance, AMD figured (correctly) that a CPU running at a slightly lower speed and higher bus was the same as a CPU running at a higher speed and a lower bus.
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The 2600+, 333MHz version, will run at 2083MHz.
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Problems with K7N2 DELTA2 PLATINUM Help Me.

Hi everyone, I have this problem with my recently bought K7N2 Delta2 Platinum . I've being installed the pc this last nights, and the pc can't post, all fans start properly but the D-Bracket indicates me this description " EARLY CHIPSET INITIALIZATION", can anyone help me??
I don´t know if my MB support a Athlon XP 1500+ processor, this is the current devices and components installed in my MoBo:
AMD athlon XP 1500 +
256 mb 184 pin DDR RAM PC 2100 spectek
Sound Blaster Live! 5.1
60 GB hard drive Maxtor IDE
40 GB hard drive Seagate IDE drive

and this
Model: K7N2 (MS-6570)
Revision: 1.0
Form Factor: ATX
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 SPP AGP DDR
Bios: Award 3.4 04/11/2003 or later. Recommended Speeds:
AMD Athlon™ XP 3000+ (333 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2800+ (333 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2700+ (333 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2600+ (333 FSB) Model 8
AMD Athlon™ XP 2600+ (333 FSB) Model 10
AMD Athlon™ XP 2600+ (266 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2500+ (333 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2400+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache
AMD Athlon™ XP 2400+ (266 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache
AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (266 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 2100+ (266 FSB) Model 8
AMD Athlon™ XP 2100+ (266 FSB) Model 6
AMD Athlon™ XP 2000+ (266 FSB) Model 8
AMD Athlon™ XP 2000+ (266 FSB) Model 6
AMD Athlon™ XP 2000+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache
AMD Athlon™ XP 1900+ (266 FSB) Model 8
AMD Athlon™ XP 1900+ (266 FSB) Model 6
AMD Athlon™ XP 1800+ (266 FSB) Model 8
AMD Athlon™ XP 1800+ (266 FSB) Model 6
AMD Athlon™ XP 1700+ (266 FSB) Model 8
AMD Athlon™ XP 1700+ (266 FSB) Model 6
AMD Athlon™ XP 1600+ (266 FSB)
AMD Athlon™ XP 1500+ (266 FSB)
AMD Duron™ 1300
AMD Duron™ 1200
AMD Duron™ 1100
AMD Duron™ 1000

K7N2-L Stable Athlon XP 1800+ Overclock

I overclocked an Athlon XP 1800+ Thoroughbred on a K7N2-L today. It works albeit with slightly elevated temperatures (ambient temp of 59 C with fluctuating temps spiking at 63 C with peak CPU usage.)
The exact formula is: Athlon XP + FSB speed of 166 + High Performance Bios settings = 1.92 GHZ.
1.92 Jigga-watts?
1.92 Jigga-watts!
Try it, you might like it.
Stable as stable can be, although I had to reload Video Card drivers and a few video dependent programs (PowerDVD, DIVX for instance) because I had a jagged diagonal spike distorting the center of the screen originating from bottom left corner to upper right corner. After re-install(s), that hiccup is a memory. Problem solved. No need to run out and get an Athlon XP 2400+ yet.
Pie = 3.14
Elixir PC-2700 333 mhz, 2.5 G's bandwidth
ATI Radeon 7000
Sound Blaster Audigy
Pioneer DVD-ROM 116
LG Goldstar 52x24x52 CD-RW
Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu+ 7000 rpm

"When you tested the sandra with the 2 sticks.....you did use banks 1+3, or 2+3 right...?"
Yes, banks 1 and 3.
Thanks for the tips on the fan...I also am of the opinion that I'm running a little hot, but at this point I'm feel lucky I'm even up and running, so I'll worry about an aftermarket fan later, although I have both a Tt Volcano 6Cu+ and a 7+ just sitting on my workbench shelf. That 7+ sucked all the power out of my old KT266-Pro2-RU board, so it's sitting the bench. Too loud anyway.
Yes, I am completely aware that a 333 FSB is not an overclock. What I'm trying to explain is that I haven't been able to and probably can never achieve maximum DDR bandwidth with my two current PC-2700 sticks unless I configure the board to a 166x2 FSB. In fact I tried it today on an old 1800+ Palamino processor with no luck. I was stuck and had to flash the bios, jump J10 to 100 FSB...blah blah all the stuff you're supposed to do when you overclock and can't post, and fixed the problem and reset it just fine. I'm gonna sit tight until I can upgrade from a 133 FSB CPU to a 333 FSB CPU, which should be just next month.
My options for such an upgrade are either with the month's old Thoroughbred core 2600+ 333 FSB, or with the new Barton core 2500+, 2800+ or 3000+, which are obviously 333 FSB capable chips too.
For a good article on the Barton core see: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/index.html
I figure I'm gonna keep this motherboard for another year or so until I can afford a Clawhammer Athlon 64 system...if it ever comes out. In the meantime, I think nForce2 is the way to go even though I'm on my third board in a 7 days.
BTW, has anyone heard MSI's manufacturing numbers?...some 100,000 boards a day? I'm trying to verify that.
Pie

Want to add Video and Graphic Card to my computer system

I Notice that one of the users' in the Apple discussion Board is Listed, (AndyO) he has help me many times in the Past and was succesful in my problrm solution, would he might be able to help me with this?
I had Purchased the Game Spore Creature Creator the Starter Kit which is just the Creature creator game and not the actual game itself. I wasn't able to install the the game on my computer because I don't have the right or not at all Video and Graphic Card install on my computer. I had Contacted the Company "EA" that puts out the Game Spore, this is what they said what the game requirements are: The minimum system requirements for Spore and Spore the Galactic Edition for Mac are as follows:
* Mac OS X 10.5.3 Leopard or higher
* Intel Core Duo Processor
* 1024 MB RAM
* At least 345 MB of hard drive space for installation, plus additional space for created creatures. (260 MB for the Trial Edition)
* Video Card - ATI X1600 or NVidia 7300 GT with 128 MB of Video RAM, or Intel Integrated GMA X3100
This game will not run on PowerPC (G3/G4/G5) based Mac systems (PowerMac).
For computers using built-in graphics chipsets, the game requires at least: an Intel Integrated Chipset GMA X3100 or Dual 2.0GHz CPUs, or 1.7GHz Core 2 Duo, or equivalent
Supported Video Cards
ATI Radeon(TM) series
* X1600, X1900, HD 2400, HD 2600
NVIDIA GeForce series
* 7300, 7600, 8600, 8800
Intel(R) Extreme Graphics
* GMA X3100
and that I need to upgrade my system. Basically I need; ATI Radeon 1600 or NVIDIA Geforce 7300 and a INTEL Extreme Graphic Video Card-GMA X3100, in order to be able to install and play this game. Since I already have this game, I would like to be able to upgrade my computer system which brings me to ask; does somone know or refer me to a web site that has and sells these Video and Graphic Card and supports for the Mini Mac?
Plus they say that I need a 1020 of MB of Ram, I Have already found that 1024 MB of Ram but I just need those Video and Graphic Cards for my computer system. I am adding my computer system Profile to my discussion board to show you what I have on my system, would you be able to tell me if I would be able to add these Video and Graphic card and the memory or Ram 1024 to my computer system?
Note: Here is a web site that I am looking at to add the 1024 MB of Ram to my computer system:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=24188 41&CatId=2453
what do you think?
Here is part a copy info of my computer system Profile:
Trisha Foster’s Mac mini
10/10/08 5:39 PM
Hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Model Name: Mac mini
Model Identifier: Macmini2,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MM21.009A.B00
SMC Version: 1.19f2
Serial Number: YM8073Q**
Network:
AirPort:
Type: AirPort
Hardware: AirPort
BSD Device Name: en1
IPv4 Addresses: 169.254.247.182
IPv4:
Addresses: 169.254.247.182
Configuration Method: DHCP
Interface Name: en1
Subnet Masks: 255.255.0.0
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
Exceptions List: *.local, 169.254/16
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Ethernet:
MAC Address: 00:1f:5b:3e:ce:93
Media Options:
Media Subtype: Auto Select
Bluetooth:
Type: PPP (PPPSerial)
Hardware: Modem
BSD Device Name: Bluetooth-Modem
IPv4:
Configuration Method: PPP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Ethernet:
Type: Ethernet
Hardware: Ethernet
BSD Device Name: en0
IPv4 Addresses: 192.168.1.102
IPv4:
Addresses: 192.168.1.102
Configuration Method: DHCP
Interface Name: en0
NetworkSignature: IPv4.Router=192.168.1.1;IPv4.RouterHardwareAddress=00:21:29:c3:12:ae
Router: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Masks: 255.255.255.0
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
DNS:
Domain Name: cruzio.com
Server Addresses: 74.220.64.45, 74.220.64.55
DHCP Server Responses:
Domain Name: cruzio.com
Domain Name Servers: 74.220.64.45,74.220.64.55
Lease Duration (seconds): 0
DHCP Message Type: 0x05
Routers: 192.168.1.1
Server Identifier: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Proxies:
Exceptions List: *.local, 169.254/16
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Ethernet:
MAC Address: 00:16:cb:af:11:7f
Media Options: Full Duplex, flow-control
Media Subtype: 100baseTX
FireWire:
Type: FireWire
Hardware: FireWire
BSD Device Name: fw0
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
Exceptions List: *.local, 169.254/16
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Ethernet:
MAC Address: 00:1f:5b:ff:fe:17:17:2a
Media Options: Full Duplex
Media Subtype: Auto Select
Software:
System Software Overview:
System Version: Mac OS X 10.5.5 (9F33)
Kernel Version: Darwin 9.5.0
Boot Volume: Macintosh HD
Boot Mode: Normal
Computer Name: Trisha Foster’s Mac mini
User Name: Trisha Foster (tiger)
Time since boot: 59 minutes
ATA:
ATA Bus:
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-K06:
Capacity: 423.4 MB
Model: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-K06
Revision: Q614
Removable Media: Yes
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk2
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
Low Power Polling: Yes
Mac OS 9 Drivers: No
Partition Map Type: Unknown
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Volumes:
SPORE:
Capacity: 368.7 MB
Media Type: CD-ROM
Writable: No
File System: ISO Rockridge
BSD Name: disk2s0
Mount Point: /Volumes/SPORE
Audio (Built In):
Intel High Definition Audio:
Device ID: 0x83847680
Audio ID: 8
Available Devices:
Headphone:
Connection: Combo
Speaker:
Connection: Internal
Line In:
Connection: Combo
S/P-DIF Out:
Connection: Combo
S/P-DIF In:
Connection: Combo
Bluetooth:
Apple Bluetooth Software Version: 2.1.0f17
Hardware Settings:
Trisha Foster’s Mac mini:
Address: 00-1f-5b-72-12-aa
Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio
Firmware Version: 3.1965 (3.1965)
Bluetooth Power: On
Discoverable: Yes
HCI Version: 3 ($3)
HCI Revision: 1965 ($7ad)
LMP Version: 3 ($3)
LMP Subversion: 1965 ($7ad)
Device Type (Major): Computer
Device Type (Complete): Macintosh Desktop
Composite Class Of Device: 3154180 ($302104)
Device Class (Major): 1 ($1)
Device Class (Minor): 1 ($1)
Service Class: 385 ($181)
Requires Authentication: No
Services:
Bluetooth File Transfer:
Folder other devices can browse: ~/Public
Requires Authentication: Yes
State: Enabled
Bluetooth File Exchange:
Folder for accepted items: ~/Downloads
Requires Authentication: No
When other items are accepted: Ask
When PIM items are accepted: Ask
When receiving items: Prompt for each file
State: Enabled
Incoming Serial Ports:
Serial Port 1:
Name: Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
RFCOMM Channel: 3
Requires Authentication: No
Outgoing Serial Ports:
Serial Port 1:
Address:
Name: Bluetooth-Modem
RFCOMM Channel: 0
Requires Authentication: No
Diagnostics:
Power On Self-Test:
Last Run: 10/10/08 4:41 PM
Result: Passed
Disc Burning:
TEAC CD-W540E:
Firmware Revision: 1.0F
Interconnect: FireWire
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Supported Drive)
Cache: 8192 KB
Reads DVD: No
CD-Write: -R, -RW
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw
Media: Insert media and refresh to show available burn speeds
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-K06:
Firmware Revision: Q614
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipping Drive)
Cache: 2000 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
DVD-Write: -R, -R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
Media:
Type: CD-ROM
Blank: No
Erasable: No
Overwritable: No
Appendable: No
FireWire:
FireWire Bus:
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
OXFORD IDE Device LUN 0:
Manufacturer: Oxford Semiconductor Ltd.
Model: 0x42A258
GUID: 0x1D200500648AF
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Sub-units:
OXFORD IDE Device LUN 0 Unit:
Unit Software Version: 0x10483
Unit Spec ID: 0x609E
Firmware Revision: 0x444133
Product Revision Level: 1.0F
Sub-units:
OXFORD IDE Device LUN 0 SBP-LUN:
Graphics/Displays:
Intel GMA 950:
Chipset Model: GMA 950
Type: Display
Bus: Built-In
VRAM (Total): 64 MB of shared system memory
Vendor: Intel (0x8086)
Device ID: 0x27a2
Revision ID: 0x0003
Displays:
L1916HW:
Resolution: 1280 x 800 @ 60 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Rotation: Supported
Memory:
BANK 0/DIMM0:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR2 SDRAM
Speed: 667 MHz
Status: OK
Manufacturer: 0xAD00000000000000
Part Number: 0x48594D503536345336344350362D59352020
Serial Number: 0x0000**
BANK 1/DIMM1:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR2 SDRAM
Speed: 667 MHz
Status: OK
Manufacturer: 0xAD00000000000000
Part Number: 0x48594D503536345336344350362D59352020
Serial Number: 0x00001*
Power:
System Power Settings:
AC Power:
System Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Display Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Sleep On Power Button: Yes
Automatic Restart On Power Loss: No
Wake On LAN: Yes
Hardware Configuration:
UPS Installed: No
Printers:
Canon MP830:
Status: Idle
Print Server: Local
Driver Version: 4.8.3
Default: Yes
URI: usb://Canon/MP830?serial=19702D
PPD: Canon MP830
PPD File Version: 1.0
PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0
Serial-ATA:
Intel ICH7-M AHCI:
Vendor: Intel
Product: ICH7-M AHCI
Speed: 1.5 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.10 Supported
Hitachi HTS541612J9SA00:
Capacity: 111.79 GB
Model: Hitachi HTS541612J9SA00
Revision: SBDAC7MP
Serial Number: SB2EF9L7G3**
Native Command Queuing: Yes
Queue Depth: 32
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Mac OS 9 Drivers: No
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Macintosh HD:
Capacity: 111.47 GB
Available: 63.14 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s2
Mount Point: /
USB:
USB High-Speed Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBEHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x27cc
PCI Revision ID: 0x0002
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
Bus Number: 0xfd
Keyboard Hub:
Version: 94.15
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Apple, Inc.
Product ID: 0x1006
Serial Number: 000000000000
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
USB RECEIVER:
Version: 25.10
Bus Power (mA): 100
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Logitech
Product ID: 0xc50e
Vendor ID: 0x046d
Apple Keyboard:
Version: 0.69
Bus Power (mA): 100
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Apple, Inc
Product ID: 0x0220
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
iPod:
Version: 0.01
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Product ID: 0x1291
Serial Number: aa1186ca1738fd28eef1eeb1b22754********
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
USB2.0 Hub:
Version: 7.02
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec
Product ID: 0x0606
Vendor ID: 0x05e3
USB 2.0 3.5" DEVICE:
Capacity: 153.39 GB
Removable Media: Yes
Detachable Drive: Yes
BSD Name: disk1
Version: 0.01
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Macpower Technology Co.LTD.
Mac OS 9 Drivers: Yes
Partition Map Type: APM (Apple Partition Map)
Product ID: 0x0073
Serial Number: BC0*
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Vendor ID: 0x0dc4
Volumes:
miniStack:
Capacity: 153.26 GB
Available: 42.96 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk1s10
Mount Point: /Volumes/miniStack
MP830:
Version: 1.15
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Canon
Product ID: 0x1713
Serial Number: 197*
Vendor ID: 0x04a9
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x27c8
PCI Revision ID: 0x0002
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
Bus Number: 0x1d
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x27c9
PCI Revision ID: 0x0002
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
Bus Number: 0x3d
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x27ca
PCI Revision ID: 0x0002
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
Bus Number: 0x5d
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x27cb
PCI Revision ID: 0x0002
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
Bus Number: 0x7d
Bluetooth USB Host Controller:
Version: 19.65
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Apple, Inc.
Product ID: 0x8205
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
IR Receiver:
Version: 1.10
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Apple Computer, Inc.
Product ID: 0x8240
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
AirPort Card:
AirPort Card Information:
Wireless Card Type: AirPort Extreme (0x168C, 0x86)
Wireless Card Locale: USA
Wireless Card Firmware Version: 1.4.4
Current Wireless Network: Trisha's iPod
Wireless Channel: 11
Firewall:
Firewall Settings:
Mode: Allow all incoming connections
Locations:
Automatic:
Active Location: Yes
Services:
AirPort:
Type: IEEE80211
BSD Device Name: en1
Hardware (MAC) Address: 00:1f:5b:3e:ce:93
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
AppleTalk:
Configuration Method: Node
Proxies:
Exceptions List: *.local, 169.254/16
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
IEEE80211:
Join Mode: Automatic
JoinModeFallback: Prompt
PowerEnabled: 1
PreferredNetworks:
SecurityType: Open
SSID_STR: Apple Store
Unique Network ID: 4BCBEE2D-83B9-4CC1-B110-8D0E8E5DF49C
SecurityType: Open
SSID_STR: linksys
Unique Network ID: F2551FD6-95A7-4F98-9F7F-758A89DBD931
Bluetooth:
Type: PPP
IPv4:
Configuration Method: PPP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
PPP:
ACSP Enabled: No
Display Terminal Window: No
Redial Count: 1
Redial Enabled: Yes
Redial Interval: 5
Use Terminal Script: No
Dial On Demand: No
Disconnect On Fast User Switch: Yes
Disconnect On Idle: Yes
Disconnect On Idle Time: 600
Disconnect On Logout: Yes
Disconnect On Sleep: Yes
Idle Reminder: No
Idle Reminder Time: 1800
IPCP Compression VJ: Yes
LCP Echo Enabled: No
LCP Echo Failure: 4
LCP Echo Interval: 10
Log File: /var/log/ppp.log
Verbose Logging: No
Ethernet:
Type: Ethernet
BSD Device Name: en0
Hardware (MAC) Address: 00:16:cb:af:11:7f
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
AppleTalk:
Configuration Method: Node
Proxies:
Exceptions List: *.local, 169.254/16
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
FireWire:
Type: FireWire
BSD Device Name: fw0
Hardware (MAC) Address: 00:1f:5b:ff:fe:17:17:2a
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
Exceptions List: *.local, 169.254/16
Can someone Please help me with any suggestions or otherwisde I will have to go to a Apple store and ask for help there.
Thank You,
Trisha Foster
<Edited by Moderator>

Hi Trisha,
The only modern Mac's with video cards are the Mac Pro and Xserve (server) systems. They both are priced quite a bit higher than any Mac Mini.
Some systems, like the Mac Book Pro laptop can be ordered with different graphics cards, but that has be done when the system is built, as it is not replaceable once the system is built. To find out which systems, go to store.apple.com. For each system that you select, you can see if there's an option for a better video card.
David

2400+ or 2600+(333)

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