6D compared to Mark III

I am a hobbyist photographer currently shooting a Canon 7D and considering an upgrade (currently saving!). Does anyone have recommendations or suggestions of the 6D as compared to the Mark III? (besides the $1300 price difference!) My fear is that if I get the 6D I will "grow out" of it quickly and continue to long for the Mark III. Advantages/disadvantages? Thanks, Elizabeth

This subject has been just about beaten to death, so I’m not going to get too much into it. I highly recommend doing a search, both here, but better yet, at Canon Rumors.com.
The 6D got a really bad rap from masses of internet armchair critics most of whom never even held one. The internet is great and all, but these forums are dominated by people that spend far more time looking at specification sheets than using their own camera.
As I’m sure you know, the main difference between the 6D and 5d3 is the autofocus system. Yes, the 5d3 is far superior, but that doesn’t mean the 6D is not totally adequate. If you’re a sports photographer then the 5d3 is probably for you. If you’re worried about the 6d being able to take a picture of your [insert relative] playing [insert sport], then don’t worry. It’s all internet hype. It’s perfectly capable of capturing moving subjects.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say: if you have to ask, then you should probably get the 6D. It’s a great camera at the price.
I’m sure someone will be along shortly to tell you that if you’re coming from the 7D then the 6D’s autofocus system will absolutely not be adequate for you. There’s a good chance they’ve never even used a 6D.

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I have just ordered a EOS Mark III body and a Canon 70-200 F/2.8 II USM IS lens. Now I want a wide angle zoom lens to complete the package. I'm interested in a 24-70 f/2.8 lens. Canon's version does not have an image stabalizer and is over $2000. Tamron offers the same focal and aperture in their 24-70 f/2.8 with an image stabalizer for around $1300. Are there any issues concerning using a Tamron lens on a Canon body?

Really folks, when I joined this forum I had no idea it was for only Canon related issues and did not mean to insult the hosts. I am a Canon gal. I also own a Canon 7D. I wish all my equipment could be Canon. I have just spent a great deal of time and money researching and purchasing a Canon 5D Mark III and the Canon 70-200 F/2.8 II USM IS lens. I don’t want to settle for less. But now to complete the package I really want a 24-70mm f/2.8 lens. I would have no doubts whatsoever about the Canon even at their price if it had IS. I do not want to regret not having the f.2.8 as I may be in some low light situations during my travels, or the IS as I may not be able to handle a camera and lens of that weight without a tripod. I bought the best tripod I could find made of carbon fiber( I won’t mention the name). It is compact, very light and has a load capacity of 25lbs. I plan on using it most of the time but there will be times that I just won’t have time to set it up.
I have read a lot of reviews and 90% of them regret not having IS. After comparing the Tamron with the Canon on other sites that test different products, there didn’t seem to be too much difference in performance of either lens. Canon was favored as it should be, but for the price comparison and no IS it failed to make that big of an impression. I think the manufacturers of Canon know this and will probably come out with another version that includes IS. As Bob said…“if a competitor's lens is well regarded for whatever reason, it's in Canon's interest to know that and to understand why. And if a Tamron lens makes a 5D3 affordable by someone who would otherwise buy a Sony, I think Canon would gladly take his money.” That’s an excellent point. And Bob, I have considered the Canon 24-70 f/4 but I really feel that maximum aperture over the total focal range is a plus that only 2.8 can give.
Ebbigs 1, I have considered the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 but it doesn’t have IS. The price certainly is appealing, but the Tamron even though more expensive is a better lens (from what I‘ve read). I do agree about the L quality and durability of the Canon lens however and I would buy it if not for the IS. I am getting ready for a long trip and am in need of a wide angle zoom lens as soon as possible.
I came here to find out if anyone knew if there were any issues with the Canon mount accepting a Tamron as I have never used anything but a Canon lens on my Canon cameras. Thank you for reading my rather long winded response and I apologize if I have offended anyone.

Which full frame body - EOS 6d or Mark III

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I am graduating as a cinematographer soon and considering a new camera kit. Since I am also a hard core still photography lover, I have thought of investing a full frame sensor body.
I will be using my new camera equally for both still and motion picture photography.
I would like to know the reviews on the Canon EOS 6D and how it compares to the EOS 5D MARK III.
I was thinking I should go for the cheaper full frame body ( EOS 6D) and invest on the lens range - where I'm thinking of investing in the L series IS USM category lenses.
I would like to know from users their honest opinion from experience.

This query has come up before and again, as 5D user, there is really no comparison with the two except price.
The 5D is your choice if you can afford it.
I have read, do not own, a 6D is not weather proof. Despite what Canon may claim about it.
The 5D Mk III and the "kit" lens 24-105mm f4 is a fantastic combo. Remember the old adage, buy the best and cry once.
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Which full frame body? EOS 6D or 5D Mark III

Hi
I am graduating as a cinematographer soon and considering a new camera kit. Since I am also a hard core still photography lover, I have thought of investing a full frame sensor body.
I will be using my new camera equally for both still and motion picture photography.
I would like to know the reviews on the Canon EOS 6D and how it compares to the EOS 5D MARK III.
I was thinking I should go for the cheaper full frame body ( EOS 6D) and invest on the lens range - where I'm thinking of investing in the L series IS USM category lenses.
I would like to know from users their honest opinion from experience.

"Since I am also a hard core still photography lover ..."
To me this says it all. There is no choice except to get the 5D Mk III. The 5D is simply head and shoulders above the 6D, hence the lower model number. Don't kid yourself with the 6D is just as good. It is not.
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5d Mark III - Metering Underexposed

So first off, I apologize as I think I've seen a similar thread here but I can't find it anymore!
I purchased a 5d Mark III as an upgrade from my 7d a couple of weeks ago and, although I am happy, there is one main issue that is bothering me.
When I meter a "perfect" exposure, the camera is delivering about a full stop UNDER that.
My normal settings are;
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Center focus point
Spot metering
AI Servo.
I generally shoot 2/3 over anyway, and find that I'm needing to now shoot at least 1 2/3 over to get the same result as my 7d. In addition to that, I'm getting a noticeable vignette in lower (but even/consistent) light situations.
I have tried all the different metering options, including variations on the focus points. I have done a full factory reset and the issue is consistent across all my lenses.
Any ideas?

rjs1981 wrote:
Thanks for the response!
I just did some additional test shots to answer your question more accurately.
I shot a grey card under tungsten light at ISO 4000, 2.8, with a 50mm 1.4. I shot the same image with both cameras set up exactly the same, and the 5dm3 is, in that shot, roughly 2/3rds underexposed.
I'm really baffled.
ps. I notice you use the 60Da. Never spoken to an owner. Do you love it? I am starting to really enjoy astrophotography so that unit is interesting to me. Its pretty much geared towards that one purpose yes?
You don't, by chance, happen to own an incident light meter to determine which camera is actually telling the truth do you?
As you are shooting in "M" according to your post, the exposure compensation is ignored (it's used to P, Tv, or Av modes... but not M). It's the only setting I can think of that would cause the camera to createa a different exposure.
So barring that, it seems one of your cameras is having a problem. I once had someone tell me that their Canon 5D II and Canon 5D III were giving different exposures... but I own two Sekonic incident light meters and three Canon bodies.... so I tested the light with both Sekonic incident meters, then tested my bodies pointed at the same gray card and all agreed on the exposure.
But it sounds like you've done some reasonable testing to make sure the exposures *should* be the same... and yet they aren't. It seems reasonable that it points to a problem with one of the cameras. I can tell you that my own 5D III body (and I also own a 5D II body) are metering accurately so I don't think there's a 5D III metering problem per se, but you may have a individual body with an issue.
As for the 60Da... I'm quite pleased with this camera. So here's the story.
I belong to a fairly large astronomy club in the area. I'm going to guess there are about 160 members. Of those... probably about 20% are fairly seriosu imagers. A few owned the old Canon 20Da (the first astro camera Canon sold). Many members own modified and unmodified Rebel bodies as well. But when Canon released the 60Da, several members took notice and bought one.
So one day I'm at a friend's house and the previous night another club member was at his private observatory with his 60Da and took a photo of the whirlpool galaxy (M51). I was looking at the EXIF data for the exposure. At the time I did not own a 60Da... but I did have the 5D II (I did not yet have the 5D III). I took the _same_ exposure (ISO & shutter time) with my camera using the identical scope in the same observatory for the same object.
At the end of my exposure, I got almost nothing.
I doubled the exposure.
I could see a hint of the galaxy... but mostly nothing.
I tripled the exposure.
Now I was starting to see the hints of the galaxy... but nowhere even remotely close to what the 60Da had captured. (and I'm using a 5D II which blows the doors off the 60D when it comes to ISO performance.)
The following day I ordered a 60Da.
Human eyes are a bit wonky... we are "most" sensitive to greens because they are pretty much smack in the middle of the visible spectrum (which runs from 400nm to 700nm wavelengths). We are less sensitive to blues and reds. Traditional cameras compensate for this in several ways... rather than "truthfully" collecting light, the Bayer mask is already stacked to double the green reception vs. the blue or red. But even the filters inside the camera have a slow ramp up to block the IR. The "IR" filter actually starts to block the spectrum gently even as low as around 500-550nm. It ramps up gradually as it approaches 700nm.
90% of the universe is composed of hydrogen atoms. Atoms give off light at very specific wavelengths as their electrons jump from one shell to anotther. For hydrogen, it's the Ballmer series where the dominant light is at 656.28nm (Hydrogen alpha wavelength), then hydrogen beta, gamma and delta... but those are cyan, and a few shades of violet and safely sharter wavelengths then what a terrerestrial camera IR filter blocks. It's mostly the Ha which is a problem.
The 60Da is at least 3x more sensitive to Ha (and possibly closer to 5x more sensitive) as compared to a non-modified terrestrial DSLR cameras. The result is that not only do you get more reds (the Ha is a fire-engine red color), but overall you get much shorter exposure times to capture the same image.
There are several companies which make high end dedicated astro-imaging CCD cameras... SBIG (Santa Barbara Imaging Group), Finger Lakes, Apogee, etc. These are typically monochrome cameras with peltier cooling systems that can chill the CCD considerable colder than ambient temps (becaue there's a relationship between physical temps and noise), have incredible well-depth (basically a measure of dynamic range), and fitler wheels. Since a monochrome camera does not have a bayer mask, the cameras are much more sensitive to light -- but they can't see "color". To compensate, a filter wheel rotates in a "red" filter, "blue" filter, "green" filter, and usually a "luminance" filter. They may also use special narrowband filters to pick up Ha, Hb, O III, etc. They take numerous images in each part of the spectrum and them merge them to create color image. These cameras tend to be expensive. I sure would love to own an SBIG STX-16803 and filter wheel but it's the better part of $12,000!
The 60Da has been working quite nicely so far - a good workhorse and I've put it to use numerous times capturing images for hours on end.
Here's an image taken by my 60Da. This is based on 16 combined "light" images of 4 minutes each of the Dumbbell nebula (Messier 27). I also took 8 "darks". What I did _not_ take were any "flats" or "bias" images and it shows. You can see the obvious vignetting caused by the telescope ("flat" images would have allowed my software to compensate for this.) The red colors you see in this image are Hydrogen atoms giving off light in Hydrogen alpha wavelength. Without a modified camera, you get red... but not nearly as much.
BTW... in fairness I should mention that I'm getting pretty good at image "acquisition" in astrophotography... but I have a lot of learning to do when it comes to image "processing" for astrophotography. Most of my club members blow me away (even using the same camera that I use) but I am learning quickly.
Tim Campbell
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5D mark III lens correction problem with dark shots

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Sulka Haro wrote:
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Sulka Haro wrote:
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PS-CS6 is available as a serial-number-licensed version.
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