8bit/10bit FCP uncompressed codec gamma

As of recently, I noticed that these 2 codecs appear fine in After Effects and FCP, although when brough into Quicktime, they appear brighter, and when even exported to Animation, they look fine. Is this just a playback issue with Quicktime?

I'm not entirely sure... The interesting thing is that I have been working with 8/10 bit uncompressed clips for a while, and I've just recently noticed this problem (having updated quicktime and 10.4.5 in the past week or so)
Basically, exporting a video out of After Effects as animation and as 8 or 10 bit give drastically different results when opened in Quicktime Player. However, when I bring them back into After Effects or FCP, they look fine, so I'm guessing this is strictly a quicktime player display issue with the FCP codecs.
I've posted a sample screenshot, 10bit on the left and Animation on the right.
http://media.21productions.com/~ageis/uncompressed.png
Inside AE or FCP, Animation and 8/10 bit are identical looking, and look like the right image.

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Apple intermediate codec VS apple fcp uncompressed 8 bit 4:2:2

i'm still very new here.
have FCE and therefore don't have apple pro res.
i'm getting mixed suggestions as to what format to use for highest quality.
i get better results playing back apple intermediate codec in FCE but want to know if its quality is as good as apple fcp uncompressed 8 bit?
ultimately want to output as quicktime H.264
thanks

"but don't i Want HD? i'm shooting with the canon 5D M2."
Yes, you do. But how would I know that you're shooting in HD or that you're using this camera? The Apple uncompressed 8-bit 4:2:2 codec is only used with standard definition media.
BTW, FCE is not the best application to work with this camera as it shoots in a non-standard video frame rate. Your media would have to be converted to QuickTime using AIC at 29.97 with uncompressed 48k audio. FCP allows you to create a sequence preset in 30fps, the frame rate used by this model.

Uncompressed codec won't output audio.

I've had an issue over the last couple weeks with Ae CC where any time I output to uncompressed (audio) codec, no audio is attached. I've verified that my output module was set to Audio Output On. Bringing the file into Pr or back into Ae shows that there is no audio track, even though the setting should have at least made a silent audio track. This happens regardless of the audio format in my composition (.wav, .aif, .mp3), and seems to only occur with uncompressed codec. Any ideas or experience with this problem?
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- Paul

What format are you rendering to? (I'm assuming AVI?)
Your RAM previews have audio, right?
What happens if you save one of the RAM previews?
What happens if you render through the Adobe Media Encoder?
What happens if you try rendering into something other than this (mysterious) uncompressed codec?

FCP 6 & SL Gamma issues

I seem to have a problem with gamma in FCP6 on snow leopard. Rushes in QT are fine, but appear very dark in FCP. I have read on Creative Cow forums that the fix is to upgrade to FCP 7 (!!) but I was rather hoping I could avoid this extra expense just now.
Any other suggestions? I don;t understand why FCP6 would not display colours correctly.
Is there a user setting I need to adjust in FCP? I can see a difference between setting the play back gamma to "accurate" and "approximate". Does this mean that QT is not displaying gamma correctly? Would be nice to get both to match.
Thanks

ajophoto wrote:
Any other suggestions? I don;t understand why FCP6 would not display colours correctly.
The COW thread you linked to explains that FCP adjusts the gamma to approximate what it would look like on a broadcast monitor which causes problems with Snow Leopard as it changes the default gamma profile of the OS. I cannot confirm whether or not this is fixed in FCP 7.
I seem to have a problem with gamma in FCP6 on snow leopard. Rushes in QT are fine, but appear very dark in FCP. I have read on Creative Cow forums that the fix is to upgrade to FCP 7 (!!) but I was rather hoping I could avoid this extra expense just now.
Why does it matter if you are offlining? Even if you had FCP 7 and it fixed the gamma issue, I would still not recommend relying on it for accurate image reproduction.
Is there a user setting I need to adjust in FCP? I can see a difference between setting the play back gamma to "accurate" and "approximate". Does this mean that QT is not displaying gamma correctly? Would be nice to get both to match.
There is no setting in FCP, only "Final Cut Studio color compatibility" in QuickTime 7. But there is still some discrepancy between the two, even on Leopard. I never rely on this.

5.1.1: there's still gamma shift from AE with uncompressed codec

O.k. - this issue has annoyed me for years and has caused me to come up with all sorts of silly workarounds. I saw that with 5.1.1 and the pro app update we were promised a fix for this:
Uncompressed 422
Uncompressed 422 delivers a fix for changes in color-space and/or gamma when moving clips between Final Cut Pro and Adobe After Effects and addresses a codec issue leading to drawing errors in 16bpc After Effects projects....
However, i still get the identical gamma bump as before with this $49 update. . . is this update working for anybody yet?

Sorry, I don't use that specific codec. I export footage to AE in the format I am working with, and back in the same format, typically DVCPRO HD. And I see no gamma shift.
Try the Animation codec?
Shane

FCP Uncompressed 4:2:2 Codec for Windows QuickTime

A client of ours can't play movies rendered in Final Cut Pro Uncompressed 10-Bit 4:2:2 on his Windows Vista 64-Bit PC. I have not been able to find out if there is a Windows QuickTime plug-in that will allow him to play these files (as there is for Macs without a FCP install).
Is there such a thing? Or will these files only play on a Mac?
Thanks!

See if these are of any help
http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=SheerVideo
http://www.bitjazz.com/en/products/sheervideo/

Digital noise using Apple 10-bit uncompressed codec for NTSC, BIG PROBLEM!

I hope someone from Apple or the Shake team can shed some light on this problem we're having so we can take the appropriate corrective action ASAP to meet our strict deadlines on this current project.
We're compositing all the EFX (over 1000 EXF shots) for a massive video game project that needs to be delivered to the client by the end of May. Let me preface the following comments by saying that overall, we're very pleased with Shake and the end results we're getting, but one problem in particular has us very worried about making our deadline:
The project is entirely bluescreen with CGI plates, shot on anamorphic Digibeta and captured into FCP as uncompressed 10 bit. 4:2:2 through a Blackmagic HD Extreme card (via SDI).
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If we force the FILE-IN node to 8 bit, the problem goes away, but keying suffers - so this is not an option.
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We're already well down the road, and while we realize that at Shake's current price-point it seems silly to complain at all, we gladly would have paid more for a compositing tool if we knew we were going to run into a situation like this. Unforunately, our initial evaluation of Shake was done on our G5's which don't suffer from this issue.
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Best regards,
Michael Buday

Not sure the exact answer, but some options to try:
1) have you tried converting the clips to image
sequences? Perhaps it's a QuickTime error.
2) How about using 2 FileIns - one at 10 bit to
generate the keys and one at 8 bit for the fill?
Patrick
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Hello Patrick and thanks for your suggestion:
We're going to experiment with different codecs and image sequences this week to see what happens.
RE: using different FILEIN's for key/fill, is something I hadn't thought of but unfortunately the 10bit FILEIN would still be affected by the noise which would in turn affect the alpha channel created by Keylight or Primatte.
I'll let you know what we find out as things progress.
Again, thanks.
Michael
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I have FCP Express 4. Works great. I would like to play uncompressed video on Windows Vista 64 thru Quicktime pro. I can play compressed video without a problem. I presume I need some type of purchased add-on to Quicktime pro but don't know what to purchase. Anybody have any ideas on what to purchase/add.
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The Most FCP-Friendly Codec for Offline Editing of Clips w/ Alpha Channels

Working with full-quality DigitalJuice animated backgrounds with alpha channels in a DV timeline can feel like swimming through molasses. There are a number of options for temporarily replacing the clips with low-res proxies (Uncompressed, JPEG2000, TGA, etc.). Before conducting extensive tests, I was curious as to whether or not anyone has an opinion on which 32-bit codec might be the easiest one for FCP to process, resulting in snappier playback while offlining.
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no, at least not last time I looked.
the avid meridian codecs for QT are downloadable from their website
http://www.avid.com/content/7952/Avid%20CodecsLE120Macpkg.zip
sme tips quoted from http://dvinfo.net/conf/archive/index.php/t-78006.html
it is important to move these components out of the root Library and put them into the User Library. That way they won't cause any conflict during startup.
I've since done some trial and error testing and it appears the only component that causes a conflict during startup is AvidAVUICodec.component.
The rest work just fine with compressor and seem to add support for:
Avid 1:1x (AvidAV1xCodec.component)
Avid D100 (AvidAVd1Codec.component)
Avid DNxHD (AvidAVdnCodec.component)
Avid DV (AvidAVdvCodec.component)
Avid Packed (AvidAVpkCodec.component)
Avid Meridian (AvidAVDJCodec.component)
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Now, what works with FCP 5.1.2????
Everything except Avid D100 codec (AvidAVd1Codec.component) and the AvidAVUICodec.component.
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I have never mastered to HDCAM SR and was wondering what codec I should be using, the media needs to be completely uncompressed to ensure no loss whatsoever.
I'm using a dual-channel fibre channel storage system so datarates should not be too much of a problem.
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If the station or network is not using dual link 4:4:4 RGB, then it makes no sense to deliver it to them. But again, you'll need to ask them what they need.

FCP Uncompressed Editing on a new Mac Pro

Hello everybody,
I too am about to empty my wallet into Apple's bank account.
I am upgrading my editing capacity and have the following wish list in order to edit compressed and uncompressed 8 or 10 bit high definition video shot with HDV and DVCPro HD camcorders:
Mac Pro - 2x 2.66GHz Dual Core Intel Xeon Processors
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon X1900 XT graphics card
1 x 250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA (as boot drive)
3 x 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s (as striped footage drives)
Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel - as main FCP screen)
Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel - as HD monitor)
I already own Final Cut Studio and run FCP 5.1.1
My questions are:
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2. Will I need any extra hardware - besides the graphics card - in order to see every single pixel of 1920 x 1080 footage?
I know others on the Apple Discussions forums have asked similar questions but I am still not certain which set up is best for me.
Thanks in advance.
P.S. Dear Mr Jobs. Thanks in advance for allowing PAL users of FCP to edit 720 footage from Panasonic's HVX-200 camcorder.
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I have just found out that my plans for a Mac Pro with 4 internal drives (one as boot drive, the other three striped as footage RAID) will NOT be fast enough to edit uncompressed HD material.
I have just read this on the Black Magic Design website:
Blackmagic Disk Speed Test reported about 170 MB/sec which was easily fast enough for HD uncompressed 10 bit. However this three-disk internal solution is more suited to people needing simple capture and playback of HD, such as designers and effects artists. They just want simple clip capture and playback and the built-in three-disk array is a great solution for them. There are also newer 750 GB disks, which are faster, and so performance could increase further.
For editors who have hundreds of cuts and/or effects in their projects, we would strongly recommend an external disk array with multiple disks.
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail.asp?techID=60#intel_tiger
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Charlie.

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Happy to help out, but you need to identify what cam or sequence settings you use to create the HD sequence.
HD means so many things, including HDV and DVCProHD.
What is it?
And what did you choose to export to that create a smaller movie file for use on the PC?
Because it seems you have converted the original footage to something else, otherwise the size would be the same.
You might try an export to h.264 that should work if your friend is using v.7 of QT on Windows.

FCP Quicktime Codec for Windows

I have an HD sequence that I exported using Export to Quicktime (movie is self contained); This gives me a .mov file that is uncompressed and has a smaller file size than any other way I export. I tried to play the file at my friends house on his PC but we couldn't. I'm assuming this export method uses a specific codec that my friend doesn't have. If this is the case, do you know if or where he could DL the specific codec. I googled it, but to no avail. If I'm completely off base with the whole codec thing could someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks

Happy to help out, but you need to identify what cam or sequence settings you use to create the HD sequence.
HD means so many things, including HDV and DVCProHD.
What is it?
And what did you choose to export to that create a smaller movie file for use on the PC?
Because it seems you have converted the original footage to something else, otherwise the size would be the same.
You might try an export to h.264 that should work if your friend is using v.7 of QT on Windows.

FCP HD codec

Apple has made the decision to not sell Final Cut separately but instead bundle it into Final Cut Studio. All we need is the HD codec, but we are not going to spend around $1000 for the additional programs.
Since Apple's decision is not customer-friendly, is there another program that we can use that has the HD codec??

Well, there's this:
http://www.calibratedsoftware.com/QDVCProHD.asp
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I have several clips made with Final Cut Pro 4 in 2005 that I want to use in a DVD. When I try to import them into Premiere Pro the application crashes. Audio plays when viewing the file in the Quicktime player but no video. Do I need a codec? "File info" says the codec for the files, which are 720 x 480, is "DV/DVCPRO - NTSC, Linear PCM, Timecode". Where can I get it and how do I install it for Premiere Pro CS6?

You should work for a Teleco Jim.
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I guess Adobe dont pay for any of the codecs anymore so they give us them for free as well.
...but we digress. Apologies to the O.P.

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