A thought about HD sizes and mimimum disk space needed for OS X
This has just occurred to me and I am looking for more accurate numbers to help advise posters here, more accurately, when the situation occurs.
In this day and age of Macs with 500 Gigabyte and 1-4 Terrabyte drives, do we still need to tell people that have filled up their Macs' HDs that they need to leave 15-20 % of the total drive size free for OS X to still work properly.
Because this, actually, equates to a mimimum of 100 Gigabytes to, at least, 200 Gigabytes or more, for larger drives, of drive space that needs to be cleared of data! Just to have enough drive space for OS X?
Does anyone else thinks that this is a ridiculous amount that OS X, by itself, actually needs to run smoothly?
Does anyone here have a better estimation of just how many GBs OS X uses on an average basis?
I would rather have a more realistic size to have remaining on a hard drive than to keep using the percentage rule.
I know the percentage rule was used in the day when we had smaller capacity drives, so it would still apply in those situations.
But I do not think it no longer applies when drive capacities are so much larger today and getting larger.
Any thoughts and more realistic numbers welcome.
At 18% you start hitting where finding and writiing files and longer seeks as well as fragmentation starts to play a role.
Mac Pro has 4 internal drives. Most learn to keep lean mean boot drives.
Video and graphic or medfia storage perfrmance drops off at 70% level even with an array though you can push past that.
The only people that should be concerned are those with single dirve setups and that don't have the luxury of just pulling drive sled and upgrading.
I keep boot drive @ 50%. I don't like having all my files in one basket. And backups are external as well.
Below 10% you should be getting low on space error messages and it is the directory as I said that may not be large enough or fragmented. And a clone will help. Disk Warrior buiids a single non-fragmented while TechTool Pro will write if necessary if it can't write or create a directory.
Re-initializing your drives with each new OS or change under the hood is also a good idea as there are changes to partition structure that an update may try to modify but never like having the drive initialized.
If you are looking and won't take no for an answer fine. Seems like you have what you want the answer to be and looking for something to support it.
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A thought about HD sizes and minimum needed disk space
This has just occurred to me and I am looking for more accurate numbers to help advise posters here, more accurately, when the situation occurs.
In this day and age of Macs with 500 Gigabyte and 1-4 Terrabyte drives, do we still need to tell people that have filled up their Macs' HDs that they need to leave 15-20 % of the total drive size free for OS X to still work properly.
Because this, actually, equates to a mimimum of 100 Gigabytes to, at least, 200 Gigabytes or more, for larger drives, of drive space that needs to be cleared of data! Just to have enough drive space for OS X?
Does anyone else thinks that this is a ridiculous amount that OS X, by itself, actually needs to run smoothly?
Does anyone here have a better estimation of just how many GBs OS X uses on an average basis?
I would rather have a more realistic size to have remaining on a hard drive than to keep using the percentage rule.
I know the percentage rule was used in the day when we had smaller capacity drives, so it would still apply in those situations.
But I do not think it no longer applies when drive capacities are so much larger today and getting larger.
Any thoughts and more realistic numbers welcome.
I am going to post this also, in the Mac Pro section.Yes, going by percentage is just plain silly. Here is the most intelligent comment on the subject I've seen (from Anonymous at XYMer's.) Btw, he wasn't recommending keeping a minimum of 75GB free. The 75GB figure was in response to someone who asked if that was adequate. 75GB was what happened to be free and it would appear it was far in excess of what was really needed.
Here's a link to the full discussion
http://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6004
These suggestions, so far as I can tell, have neither theoretical nor empirical basis. They're sort of like the advice that you need to always drink at least 12 glasses of water per day: someone said it once, and since then it has taken on a life of its own.
You really probably should keep some drive space free. If you have 75 GB free, you're fine. The amount that you might want to keep free could perhaps best be described as, "enough to hold everything without any fear of unexpectedly filling up." For comfort I'd set aside about 6 GB for virtual memory, but that number will vary vastly depending on how you use your computer. On top of that I'd keep several GB to leave room for the system to move files around, and maybe another half dozen GBs just in case I need to store something large or something unexpected. So I'd be shopping for a new hard drive or cleaning up big files well before space went below 16 GB. In reality, I wouldn't wait nearly that long, because I could extrapolate based on usage that I'd be getting uncomfortably full well in advance of it actually getting that full.
On the other hand, I have one machine that never really gets files added to it, that I keep with only a couple GB free because it causes no problems based on the way I use it and there would be no benefit in increasing the available space.
To be clear, nothing bad suddenly happens when you cut below some magic number. Rather, depending on how you use your computer, you may experience minor to noticeable performance degradation as free space approaches zero. The dynamic pager, for example, likes to create virtual memory files that dynamically double in size each time one is created, up to a maximum of 1 GB. If there's not room to create the file it wants, your computer could slow down or seize up. Likewise, if you're running very near the drive capacity, bulk writes could slow down because there may not be large contiguous sections of disk available. But you'll generally need to be really close to the edge to notice.
Back in ye olden days of teeny tiny drives, any particular file would take a greater percentage of available space, so it was on average more important to keep a larger percentage of the drive free. But to reiterate, how much space you have free doesn't really matter as long as there's enough of it that there's no danger of it suddenly filling up.
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Problem with Photoshop CS5. Memory and Hard disk space Mac OSX
Just got CS5 Master Suite. Whenever I open photoshop it takes a ton of memory 1 gig +. When I open files it takes up more and more until it takes up all my memory and hard disk space. I open a simple multi layered file that is 25 megs in size to work on it. Before I know it photoshop is taking 20gigs+ of my hard disk space along with 3+ gigs of system memory. Is there a memory problem in photoshop cs5?
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UPDATE:
So I just opened the 25 meg file in photoshop cs5 and watched my free space on my hard drive go down 8 gigs the instant I opened it. It went from 27 gigs of freespace to 19 instantly. As I open more files and close others it works till my harddrive goes to zero space... stalls the computer big time. Only way to correct it is to quit photoshop cs5 and wait a few minutes for the space to return... and it takes a few minutes for it all to return.
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Thanks,
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To check the model number hold down the option/alt key, go to the Apple menu and select System Information.
iMac (Mid 2007 or newer) model number 7,1 or higher
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Check to make sure your applications are compatible. PowerPC applications are no longer supported after 10.6.
Application Compatibility
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Qosmio X500 Folder migration utility and low disk space drice C
This may be a longish post as I try to explain my problem... please forgive.
I've had my X500 for just over three months now.
It took a little while before the folder migration utility woke up I didn't know it was there after I'd done a limited copy of folders across from my old Qosmio F20. After it had woken up and I'd been able to transfer folders/files across it cleared a lot of room from the 'tiny' - I feel, 60 Gb SSD C drive.
I keep getting a message coming up sometimes, when I boot up, that the folder migration utility has a setting for me. If I open the utility it shows no folders in the 'C' drive area and folders already transfered [from first using it] in the right hand side for the 'D' drive. Text in the bottom of the utility says something like "if you have done some manual transfers then it can't do anything"... something along those lines - sorry for not being clear on that.
I've recently installed some other programs and have endeavoured each time to do a custom install to the D drive to program files [x86] folder. However, drive C is now showing low disk space at 5.58 of 59.2 Gb.
Checking the folders copies??? I thought for the programs I installed I find lots of folders/files in those program folders so taking up a lot of space.
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Help would be appreciated.Thanks for coming forward PauPau.
Firstly, when I got the x500 I had lots of documents etc., I wanted to transfer over so I used the Win7 Transfer program to make the back up/transfer images. In doing the transfer across [after the copies of] the X500 gave an error warning that the C: drive had insufficient space to do the full copies. At this time/stage I was not aware that the X500 had a folder migration utility. What ever made it 'wake up' and make itself known I have no idea but I used it when it did. My first problem was probably in using the Win7 file transfer - for getting files/folders across from the old computer to the x500!
I ended up doing a factory reset about three times before this utility made it self known. I found NOTHING in ant documentation about the X500 about this utility and how to make use of it when I bought the laptop. Not sure if you are aware of the make up of the X500 having 2 hard drives; a 'C:' drive of 65Gb SSD and a SATA 'D:' drive of 650GB. If you do then my apologies if that comes over in any 'bad' way. The D: drive is NOT a partition of 1 installed hard drive as your reply would seem to suggest you are thinking.
The migration folder utility, when used first time, copied/transfered folders across - even program folders such as Program files [x86] - and left 'similar' named folders on the C: drive. At that time I then thought that any future installs of programs would be put in the D: drive. Only when watching the first time for a new program install did I see it going to the C: Program and Program files [x86] folders instead of those in the D: drive. I then had to uninstall and do a custom install to direct to the D: drive. However... some data appears that it can NOT be directed from the install disk to the D: drive and still goes to the C: drive - HENCE the issue I am having with the small amount of remaining free space on the C: drive.
I accept what you say in reply to my question about the best way to free up space but, based on as explained above, should I have to do a re-install of any program I try to run after being moved to the same named corresponding folder on the separate D: drive [if that is what I have to do] I think the install disk will still do an automatic install of these to the C: drive as at that stage there seems no way of stopping it. Although given the option in a custom install to change the 'drive' to install to such as the D: some data is still going to C: and I'll be in the same predicament that I am now.
If that's the case then maybe this is something that TOSHIBA should be looking in to solving if they are going to produce laptops with two hard drives - - - even if one [the C: drive] is of the SSD make to speed thing up.
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I installed Solaris 10 x86 10/09 using ZFS in vSphere, and the disk image was expanded from 15G to 18G.
But Solaris still sees 15G.
How can I convince it to make notice of the expanded disk image, how can I grow the rpool?
Searched a lot, but all documents give answers about adding a disk, but not if the space is additionally allocated on the same disk.
-- Nicknikitelli wrote:
if that is really true what you are saying, then this is really disappointing!
Solaris can so many tricks, and in this specific case it drops behind linux, aix and even windows?
Not even growfs can help?Growfs will expand a UFS filesystem so that it can address additional space in its container (slice, metadevice, volume, etc.). ZFS doesn't need that particular tool, it can expand itself based on the autogrow property.
The problem is that the OS does not make the LUN expansion visible so that other things (like the filesystems) can use that space. Years and years ago, "disks" were static things that you didn't expect to change size. That assumption is hard coded into the Solaris disk label mechanics. I would guess that redoing things to remove that assumption isn't the easiest task.
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Time for Secure Empty Trash and Free Disk Space
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Can anyone give me a guesstimate of how long secure empty trash would take or can take? I have 290 items and its been there for about an hour.
Also, if I choose to free disk space, how long approximately would this take? Is it worth doing this? I have 40gb "free" now.
Thanks.
Sit's not necessarily the number of files, but more the total size of all the files combined. But lets just say it dose take a while to do. you really only need to use secure empty trash on files of a sensitive nature. Such as financial information (credit card numbers, back information, social security numbers)
Also by spending all that time writing to the hard drive, over and over. Witch is what secure empty trash dose. your reducing the life span of your hard drive. Like car tires your hard drive is only good for so many miles.
I ones secure emptied trash on a GB worth of data. I remember it takings hours. I ones tried scrubbing a whole hard drive, after two days I stopped it because I didn't realize it was going to take so long. That being said it doesn't take too long to scrub a few files that are a few MB in size.
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