After Effects CC - Hardware zum schnellen Rendern

Hallo an das Forum, meine Frage ist diese:
die Renderzeit bei AE CC beträgt zur Zeit ca. 1 Minute für 2 Sekunden AVI-Filmlänge auf meinem iMac, i 7, 2,9 GHz (aus 2011).
Für eine 30-Sekundensequenz warte ich also ca. 15 Minuten, was ich viel zu lang finde.
Bei einer alternativen Hardware-Konfiguration auf Windows 7, mit 2x INTEL XEON E5-2680v2 (je 10 Kerne) und Nvidia Quadro K2000 lande ich bei ca. 6.000,00 EUR netto, was mich natürlich etwas geschockt hat.
Hat jemand den Durchblick und kann mir sagen, ob AE CC diese Reccourcen überhaupt ausnutzen kann (Cinema 4D und das Musikerprogramm Ableton sollen später dazu kommen)? Auf welche Komponenten kommt es bei AE CC wirklich an und wo endet der spürbare Leistungsschub?
Wäre toll. Danke !!!

Die Variablen (meine gängigen Effekte, Footages etc.) habe ich in einem Testclip definiert und bei diesem Testclip sämtliche Voreinstellungen (Multiprocessing, Caches etc.) variiert und durchgespielt, bis das Resultat (= Rendergeschwindigkeit) sich nicht weiter verbessert hat. Ich habe dabei auch CS5 mit CC verglichen und überraschenderweise keine wesentlichen Unterschiede festgestellt. Nun ist also die Hardware an der Reihe, da aus meiner Sicht 1 Minute für 2 Sekunden Film nicht das Ende der Fahnenstange sein muss.
Die oben genannte angeblich "völlig ungeeignete, schlecht abgestimmte Traumkonfiguration" ist von einem Spezialisten für Rendermaschinen ausgewählt und auf den Video- und Animationsbereich, darunter AE, zugeschnitten. Beliefert werden damit die professionellen Studios. Auch habe ich mit HP telefoniert und den Hinweis auf die Workstation Z820 mit ähnlichen Komponenten bekommen.
U.A. wird für Hardware-Performancetests im Animationsbereich das Programm Cinebench von Maxon (Cinema 4D) genutzt. Dieses gibt Kennzahlen aus der Bearbeitung einer definierten Testaufgabe mit CPU- und GPU-Vollast aus. Der iMac (i7 2,9 GHz, ATI Radeon HD 5750, 22 RAM, SSD) schneidet mit "4" gegenüber "30" der Traumkonfiguration eher schlecht ab.
Cinebench gibt für AE nur eine grobe Richtung. Leider, wie ich finde, gibt es analog für AE ein solches Tool nicht. Man muss sich also mühsam durchwursteln. Die Youtubes habe ich auch so ziemlich durch.
Könnte mir jemand - vielleicht mit etwas weniger Polemik und deutschsprachig - weiterhelfen um die grundlegende Funktionsweise von AE besser verstehen zu können? Dann kann ich versuchen, daraus die relevanten Hardwarkomponenten abzuleiten.
Wäre toll ...
Danke !!!

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