Analog Video to Digital...some questions

I searched and found a variety of related topics...I just need to know a couple of things and I was hoping this community could help me.
I have a bunch of 8mm tapes and the sony camcorder that made them. I'd like to move these to the mac, edit them, and put them on DVD. I really don't want to spend alot of money. Is there an inexpensive solution for this?
Second question - if I use my DVD recorder, I know I can put the movies on DVD - can I then edit them with iMovie?
Thanks...

The most inexpensive solution would be to burn the footage to a DVD, then use the free [MPEG Streamclip|http://www.squared5.com> along with the $20 [MPEG-2 Component|http://www.apple.com/quicktime/mpeg2> to convert the VOB files on your DVD to QuickTime. Note that you will also suffer some quality loss with this method.
The more expensive solution that would also conserve quality would be to use an Analog-to-Digital converter (or a DV camera with this feature) as a "bridge" to connect your analog camera to your Mac and capture it as regular DV footage. Final Cut definitely allows you to do this, I'd assume iMovie would too. The converter usually costs somewhere in the $150-$300 range, in addition to the extra $200 for the purchase of Final Cut Express in case iMovie doesn't work. Ends up being significantly more expensive.
Depending on how important price and quality are to you either of these options are feasible.

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    What about those VHS - DVD decks, the ones that will burn a DVD directly from the VHS tape? They seem so simple to use, and for the most part are. However, those DVD-Video discs, contain pretty heavily-compressed MPEG-2 AV streams. These MPEG-2's, besides being compressed, are in aGOP structure and are muxed (Multiplexed into one file with both a Video & Audio stream), plus there is often some Menus and navigation in the first VOB, the main container components of a DVD-Video. Many NLE’s can Import the VOB’s, and basically rip the MPEG-2 out of them, but that first VOB can be highly problematic, due to the way that most of those decks do the Menus and navigation. It is seldom 100% DVD-compliant by the DVD-specs. This can be a major problem. This ARTICLE will give you some background and tips on DVD VOB's.
    Those dual-decks are good for doing one thing, regarding the DVD’s that they produce - provide one with an archival DVD-Video of the VHS tape, and not to be edited. However, the VHS side of these works well with an A-D bridge, just like a pure VHS deck does. I would strongly recommend that one does NOT use the DVD-Video portion of these, if editing will be desired. They cause many more problems, than they solve - just use them for an “archive” copy of the tape to a DVD-Video, for playback on a computer via DVD software or a set-top player, hooked to a TV.
    What about film? Well, film is obviously analog, and one needs to digitize this to edit on the computer. The process of this digitizing is referred to as telecineing the film. While one can buy equipment to do this, it is expensive, and involves a lot of setup and testing to get the job done. There are many service bureaus, that offer telecining. Some are better than others. The main considerations are: care in handling of fragile film, how the telecining is done, i.e. frame by frame w/ a liquid gate, or just by straight projection, and then output format for the digitized files. Some of these services will offer a DVD-Video disc. Do not be tempted to do this. See above. Others will offer to write these digitized files to a miniDV tape, and this is just fine. One does then need a miniDV camera, or miniDV tape deck, to then do the Capture from, but the quality and editability will be preserved. The final delivery format would be to put these DV-AVI Type II files onto an external HDD. This saves one from having to do the Capture from miniDV tape, having to have a miniDV camera, or miniDV deck, and only Importing of those files would be required to get them into the Project. Many of these service bureaus will either sell you the external, or use one provided to them. Check out specifications for things like format of the external. FAT-32 will limit the file sizes to ~ 4GB max, and NTSF will have no such limitations. However, if the service bureau is on Mac, and you’re on the PC, their Mac’s can ONLY see FAT-32 HDD’s. Talk this over with the service bureau first, so that there are no surprises later on.
    Hope that this helps,
    Hunt
    PS - also see this FAQ Entry for more detail.

    the_wine_snob wrote:
     Products, like the Dazzle lineup, just do not seem to work, or work well. I would avoid such.
    Although I now have a Canopus ADVC300 I previously used a Magix 'Movies on DVD' USB device. I found the results from this to be particularly good and, to my ageing eyes, I see very little quality difference.
    I think this is because Magix use their proprietary high quality codec (from their Pro products) to capture the footage. Like DV-AVI it runs around 10GB+ per hour. This can then, very simply, be exported to DV-AVI Type 2 for use in PRE. Note that there are some sound synchronisation issues with the 'out of the box' settings - but the fix is quick and I posted details to the Magix forum.
    Would I revert if I could return my ADVC300 bridge? Probably not - the firewire connection and the PC seeing the box as a camcorder adds to ease of use. In fact I am pleased to have both. There are some things Magix does better than PRE7 (batch exporting each scene as an individual DV-AVI file being just one) and it has smart-rendering which is handy for quick clip splitting/exporting.
    Cheers,
    Neale
    Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

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